[Rhodes22-list] This day in history
Steven Alm
stevenalm at gmail.com
Mon May 5 18:44:09 EDT 2008
Brad,
Myself, I'm off the Obama bandwagon and back on the fence.
Yes, I'm enjoying my dinner--on the rocks.
Slim
On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Slim,
>
> You can't insult people who don't pay attention, er, pilots. What if we
> were able to dig-up all the dead presidents and test their IQ? What
> difference would it make? History will measure 43 based on 9/11 forward
> and
> my prediction is - history will be kind in the long run in the long war.
> We'll see.
>
> Just like the play Annie, "Tomorrow, Tomorrow, There's Always Tomorrow,
> Tomorrow's a Brand New Day". Who's the best to take the leading role in
> the next act? Slim, sit down! I' m not promising anything but for the
> first time I'm not vomiting about the thought of voting for Hillary.
>
> Have a nice dinner and digest that!
>
> Brad
>
> On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Brad,
> >
> > In the back of my head I was afraid I might insult the pilots. Not my
> > intention. And you're right, I can't assess the difficulty of flying.
> > Er,
> > I mean flying a supersonic fighter jet.
> >
> > The question was if Bush is the dumbest to hold the office. Has there
> > been
> > anyone dumber to hold that office? Herb wants to make a rhetorical
> > argument
> > between "average" and "dumb" and I say that if you're the least
> > intelligent
> > to hold office, then that statement is true.
> >
> > You say that education don't mean shit. Do you really mean that? Sorry
> > yours was so useless. Frankly I value mine. And I include the school
> of
> > hard knocks in my resume.
> >
> > Slim
> >
> > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Slim,
> > >
> > > You can do better!
> > >
> > > "Steve of Minneapolis, never achieved fame as a musician, and was
> > > therefore
> > > condemned to the 'dustbin of history' as a 'near-do-well'." Stick to
> > > judging musicians and I'll stick to telling you who can fly and who
> > > "caint".
> > >
> > > I'll answer the pilot question for you. You don't survive flying that
> > > deathtrap without being a "good stick". A lot of his peers didn't.
> > Some
> > > were shot down in Vietnam but most who died didn't survive the
> > instability
> > > of that beast in training and routine missions. Try again!
> > >
> > > "He failed in the oil business". Slim, you are blowing smoke out your
> > ass
> > > about your knowledge of the oil business and W's experience with the
> oil
> > > business. Put your facts on the line and I'll shoot them down like
> > > squirrels in the back yard. Stick to what you know. W was very
> > > successful
> > > at finding oil. You try making a profit at $11 bucks a barrel when
> lift
> > > costs are $18.
> > >
> > > I don't have an MBA from Harvard but do sup with folks who do, also,
> > > people
> > > who have PHd's in hard science from Stanford. That's impressive but
> not
> > > that impressive. "Education don't mean shit!"
> > >
> > > Why are we having this conversation? The 'accurate' history on the
> 43rd
> > > President won't be written for another 50 years. In the meantime, we
> > have
> > > to pick another one. As one pundit said today, "Hillary has shown a
> lot
> > > of
> > > testicular fortitude, maybe she can loan one of hers to Obama so he
> can
> > > have
> > > half as many as Hill and Johnny Mack since his are carried around in
> > > Michelle's purse"
> > >
> > > W is history. MoveOn.org.
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > >
> > > You can quote me on that BTW.
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Re Bush is a dumb ass. To illustrate my point I'll mention my
> > > > sister-in-law
> > > > is an anthropology professor, PhD, Fulbright Scholar and one of the
> > most
> > > > intelligent people I know, taught at Yale for a number of years.
> She
> > > said
> > > > the students who came through were pushy, demanding and full of
> > > > entitlement. In other words, snotty, rich brats. She did not say
> > they
> > > > were
> > > > all smart. Presumably they were not all dummies either. Like
> > > everything
> > > > else, some are high on the scale and some not so much. She now
> > teaches
> > > > back
> > > > home here in Minnesota and guess what? Her students here read the
> > same
> > > > books, are assigned the same homework, write the same term papers,
> > held
> > > to
> > > > the same standards and are graded under the same scrutiny as her
> > > students
> > > > at
> > > > Yale. No teachers dumb down their work because they're NOT at an
> ivy
> > > > league
> > > > school. Conversely we can conclude that students at Yale are not
> > > > necessarily put through any more rigor than those at the University
> of
> > > > Minnesota. Because Bush graduated from an ivy league school with a
> C
> > > > average does not mean he's smart. Take away his daddy and all that
> > > money
> > > > and privilege and all those connections and Georgie graduates with a
> C
> > > > average from North Texas State instead.
> > > >
> > > > He was a pilot. I'm not, but again I presume it's like everything
> > else.
> > > > Some are high on the scale and some not so much. I'll defer to the
> > > pilots
> > > > here on the Rhodes list: is it possible for a man with average
> > > > intelligence
> > > > to learn to fly? I'm sure he worked hard to learn and by no means
> do
> > I
> > > > belittle the rigor of flight training, but I know there's a big
> > > difference
> > > > between being a reserve pilot and an ace. I don't recall hearing
> > > anything
> > > > about him winning any awards, honors, medals or any great success
> > flying
> > > > any
> > > > dangerous missions. He saw no combat. In fact it's rumored that he
> > > went
> > > > AWOL. I know that's only rumor but I'm unaware of any evidence that
> > he
> > > > distinguished himself as a great pilot either. I don't see how his
> > > > (questionable) service record qualifies him as any genius.
> > > >
> > > > I think a better measure of a man's intelligence is the man himself.
> > > How
> > > > he
> > > > presents himself, how he writes (Bush is the first and only
> president
> > > > whose
> > > > never published anything) how he speaks (the poor guy can barely put
> a
> > > > sentence together) and his decision-making. hmmmmm...
> > > >
> > > > He failed in the oil business. Not sure how he did with the Texas
> > > Rangers
> > > > but they didn't win any championships. What good is this guy,
> really?
> > > > What's to like? Herb likes that he does what he says he's going to
> > do.
> > > > Well, he said he would bring the perpetrators of 9-11 to justice.
> > > Hasn't
> > > > happened. Instead, looks what a mess created in the middle east.
> > He's
> > > > getting everybody EXCEPT the perps.
> > > >
> > > > I do respect the office of president but I don't see one shred of
> > > evidence
> > > > that this guy is any smarter than the average shmuck and that's just
> > not
> > > > good enough to be president. He's not smart--he's lucky. Again,
> take
> > > > away
> > > > Daddy and is he still the president? Not in a million years.
> > > >
> > > > Slim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Rummy,
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't forget the business cycle - what goes around comes around!
> I
> > > > cashed
> > > > > in some of my international chips to buy my airplane (worse than
> > boats
> > > > for
> > > > > money pits, definitely not investing). Commodities are at a 200
> > year
> > > > high
> > > > > because of demand from India and China. They have their own cycle
> > as
> > > > > well.
> > > > > China has significant problems to face down the road and can't
> keep
> > > the
> > > > > current pace going forever. I manage a pretty good chunk of
> change
> > > for
> > > > a
> > > > > Chinese investor (who has a similar education as mine, an
> accounting
> > > > > degree
> > > > > in China with a US MBA from a high profile school) in US
> muni-bonds
> > -
> > > > same
> > > > > deal as you in reverse. It's all in the eyes of the beholder. If
> I
> > > knew
> > > > > where the market was going to be in a year I'd be out shopping for
> a
> > > > > Gulfstream instead of busting knuckles on an old Bonanza.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brad
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:42 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Brad,
> > > > > > The code isn't difficult to break. Just take a look at the
> global
> > > > > economy
> > > > > > and see who and where the money is being spent. Natural
> resources
> > > such
> > > > > as
> > > > > > steel
> > > > > > as an example. China and India are buying steel at an incredible
> > > rate.
> > > > > > Then
> > > > > > there is the shipping company's and the company's that build the
> > > > ships.
> > > > > > Enough
> > > > > > said.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rummy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a message dated 5/5/2008 7:34:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > > > > flybrad at gmail.com writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rummy,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Congrats! You broke the code. In the long run, the US economy
> > is
> > > a
> > > > > safe
> > > > > > bet but I've been about a third vested in international for
> over
> > a
> > > > > decade
> > > > > > and it's worked out as a good hedge. The dollar just started
> > > moving
> > > > up
> > > > > > against the euro last week and traders are placing their bets
> on
> > > the
> > > > > > dollar's rise. Defining exactly what is international isn't
> > > exactly
> > > > > > easy.
> > > > > > My employer does business worldwide, same as GE, Boeing, etc.
> > Good
> > > > > luck.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brad
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, May 5, 2008 at 6:26 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Brad,
> > > > > > > The answer to where my investments are held is that they are
> > not
> > > in
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > country. Our economy is way to unstable at this time.
> > > > > > > I am invested in international company's.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rummy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a message dated 5/4/2008 9:52:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight
> Time,
> > > > > > > flybrad at gmail.com writes:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Earth to Frone,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Did you catch the snippet from Rummy the other day that his
> > > > > > investments
> > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > doing well? You think he invested in Castro's Cuba or the
> > > country
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > dumbass Bush destroyed?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Brad
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 8:13 PM, <FCrawford0707 at aol.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/3/2008 8:28:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight
> > > Time,
> > > > > > > > R22RumRunner at aol.com writes:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Herb,
> > > > > > > > This isn't about me or my mother. This is a discussion
> about
> > > > the
> > > > > > > dumbest
> > > > > > > > SOB
> > > > > > > > that has ever taken the oath of office. I didn't call you
> > on
> > > > > > breaking
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > rules, that was someone else.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Rummy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Rummy - good for you to have the guts to say it as it is.
> > > > > Although
> > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > more to it than dumb - Bush has done so much damage to our
> > > > country
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > mere
> > > > > > > > 8 years that one wonders if he could have been worse had
> he
> > > > been
> > > > > > > trying
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > damage us. It is hard to find a single policy that
> favors
> > > the
> > > > > > people
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > country over whatever special interest he happened to
> favor
> > > on
> > > > a
> > > > > > given
> > > > > > > > day.
> > > > > > > > Then there was the "proclamation" that if you "considered
> "
> > > > > sailing
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > Cuba,
> > > > > > > > your boat was subject to confiscation. Thanks for your
> > > candor
> > > > -
> > > > > > Bush
> > > > > > > > will be
> > > > > > > > ranked either just above or just below Buchanan.
> > > > > > > > Frone Crawford
> > > > > > > > s/v Sunday Morning
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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