[Rhodes22-list] Wally said, "... [Political][More Political stuff]
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Mon Oct 20 14:58:21 EDT 2008
I'm curious about something....
If a white man who claims to have legitimate issues with Obama, is in
reality a racist,
Does that mean a black man who claims to have legitimate issues with
Palin is in reality a sexist?
I mean, we should be fair in our stupid asinine assumptions and
prejudices, shouldn't we?
Brad Haslett wrote:
> Wally,
>
> I'm pretty pissed about the last 8 years as well. W said all the
> right things to woo the conservatives in the Republican party and once
> again we were duped. The man spent money like a drunken sailor.
> Someone please explain to me how we're going to correct that by
> spending more money we don't have faster? When Jeffords (SP?) left
> the Republican party and tipped the Senate to the Dems I was happy
> because it knocked McCain off as Chairman of the Aviation
> subcommittee. I've disliked McCain for years. I still dislike him.
> He's not a conservative, never has been.
>
> But on the other hand, we the have mystery man, someone with no
> significant legislative accomplishments to his name. He openly lies
> about the only executive experience he has because he doesn't want the
> public to know how he spent the millions or who he spent it with. He
> gets a pass for hanging with a radical, openly racist church, because
> he's black? I don't think his or anyone else's religion matters. It
> doesn't matter to me if you're Muslim, Buddhist, or Hindu, but if they
> routinely say at your mosque or temple, "God Damn America", "white
> man's greed starves a world in need", "the US government invented
> AIDS", "United States of KKK", I'm not voting for you. Just sitting
> through 20 years of that crap is enough, but then to say with a
> straight face, "I never heard those things"? Are people really that
> gullible or does that not matter?
>
> What strange times we're living in!
>
> Brad
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:46 AM, TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Exactly who is this man that tingles so many legs?
>>
>> Brad, You know some people are pretty pissed about the last 8 years. They
>> recognize who had control for 6 of those years. They see that McCain has
>> been part of the problem for over 20 years. They see the deck was stacked
>> for right success and they delivered failure. I think it is that simple. I
>> am not saying this is right, wrong or indifferent,,,,, it is just the way it
>> is. W
>>
>> I will (most likely) vote for Barr out of disgust knowing my vote doesn't
>> matter. McCain doesn't need my vote in TN and it will not help Obama win. If
>> your state isn't close the Electoral system can make one feel somewhat
>> disenfranchised. I was leaning towards mcCain but I must admit his choice of
>> Palin bothered me. Yeah I know folks are crazy abour her. I wonder what they
>> would think if she was ugly?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Wally,
>>>
>>> I'm not suggesting it isn't a significant endorsement, it is, but it
>>> was not unexpected. Powell has always been a moderate if not a
>>> liberal (he holds his political cards pretty close to his chest,
>>> always a good move for a General). He's been saying for months how
>>> much he admires Obama and how exciting it will be to have the first
>>> black President. When JC Watts says he has mixed emotions you know
>>> race is a huge emotional factor. Oh, but I forget, we're in the
>>> post-racial era.
>>>
>>> Getting back to the basics that should disturb everyone, we have
>>> massive voter fraud taking place nationwide by Acorn, an organization
>>> that Obama has very close ties to. We have massive amounts of money
>>> being raised that conveniently are below the $200 threshold for
>>> reporting and yet we already know that much of these funds are from
>>> foreign sources. We have a candidate with known ties to Marxists and
>>> unrepentant terrorists (the evidence is overwhelming) and few are
>>> curious. We have a candidate with gaping holes in his resume that no
>>> one seems interested in exploring.
>>>
>>> Exactly who is this man that tingles so many legs?
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 7:49 AM, TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Brad, I disagree. This is not your average meaningless "Joe Hollywood"
>>>> endorsement. I admire Powell and respect his opinion and judgement. I
>>>>
>>> think
>>>
>>>> many others do as well. Unlike a Ted Kennedy endorsement (or Clinton)
>>>>
>>> this
>>>
>>>> speaks to those outside the left base. I am not saying I am voting for
>>>>
>>> Obama
>>>
>>>> but I recognize the significance of this endorsement.
>>>>
>>>> Fair Winds,
>>>>
>>>> Wally
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Wally,
>>>>>
>>>>> Powell endorsing Obama is a "dog bites man" story. He's been hinting
>>>>> for months that this was coming, and surprise, surprise, Obama has
>>>>> said Powell will have a position in an Obama administration.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I did find interesting was Powell's pooh-poohing the Bill Ayer's
>>>>> connection. He obviously gets his news from the MSM as well, although
>>>>> late in the game, even the MSM is having second thoughts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's some more news that's being ignored. Obama and Ayers had
>>>>> offices in the same building at 115 South Sangamon St. in Chicago.
>>>>> "Just a guy in my neighborhood"?
>>>>>
>>>>> And now for a short film clip (10 min)-
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH7kT4xwddg
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 7:12 AM, TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pete, Neither party speaks to me so I tend to doubt everything from
>>>>>>
>>> both
>>>
>>>>>> sides. That includes posts from list members. Brad and Ed made a
>>>>>>
>>> claim
>>>
>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>>> the media buried the story...I took the time to check and could find
>>>>>>
>>>>> nothing
>>>>>
>>>>>> to support their viewpoint. Just because your read something in your
>>>>>> "in-box' doesn't make it true! It is amazing how many folks believe
>>>>>> something off a blog/news without taking the time to check facts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both sides claim media bias and they are right. The truth is out
>>>>>> there.....you just need to look.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey how about C. Powell endorsing Obama! I didn't know he was a
>>>>>> Marxist/socialist freedom hater!! ::-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fair winds,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM, petelargo <
>>>>>>
>>> petelauritzen at earthlink.net
>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Wally, forget stuff like Factcheck. Brad has secret sources. He
>>>>>>>
>>>>> knows
>>>>>
>>>>>>> someone who knows someone who is a second cousin of Ed's who knows
>>>>>>>
>>>>> someone
>>>>>
>>>>>>> that has tons of irrefutable evidence so incendiary that even newsmax
>>>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>>> foxnews won't touch it . That's how he knew Biden would be replaced
>>>>>>>
>>> by
>>>
>>>>>>> Hillary in one of his most recent 'I know best' political
>>>>>>>
>>> revelations.
>>>
>>>>>>> TN Rhodey-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tootle/Brad,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There may be a reason this story was "buried".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/was_it_recently_revealed_that_the_us.html
>>>
>>>>>>>> I know you guys like to send each other hundreds of emails knocking
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> other side but you really need to check your facts. Brad must be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> relying
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> the same source that told him the economy was strong!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You guys are too funny.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The MSM buried the story. Attached is one archive. Most
>>>>>>>>>
>>> newspapers
>>>
>>>>>>>>> posted it deep in their papers and hardly any broadcast news
>>>>>>>>>
>>> outlets
>>>
>>>>>>>>> touched the story. The US Armed Forces kept it quiet because it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> stayed
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> under heavy guard for years and they didn't want to draw attention
>>>>>>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>>> it until it was safely in Canada for processing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Posted on Sun, Jul. 6, 2008
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Iraq's nuclear 'yellowcake' moved to Canada
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By Brian Murphy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Associated Press
>>>>>>>>> The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program - a
>>>>>>>>>
>>> huge
>>>
>>>>>>>>> stockpile of concentrated natural uranium - reached a Canadian
>>>>>>>>>
>>> port
>>>
>>>>>>>>> yesterday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> two-week
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" - the seed
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> material
>>>
>>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> higher-grade nuclear enrichment - was a significant step toward
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> closing
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> books on Hussein's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to U.S.
>>>>>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Iraqi
>>>>>>>>> authorities who had worried that the cache would reach insurgents
>>>>>>>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>>>>>>>> smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What's now left is the final and complicated push to clean up
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>>>> remaining radioactive debris at the former Tuwaitha nuclear
>>>>>>>>>
>>> complex
>>>
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 12
>>>>>>>>> miles south of Baghdad - using teams that include Iraqi experts
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> recently
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> trained in the Chernobyl fallout zone in Ukraine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Everyone is very happy to have this safely out of Iraq," said a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> senior
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> U.S. official who outlined the nearly three-month operation to the
>>>>>>>>> Associated Press. The official spoke on condition of anonymity
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> because
>>>>>
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the sensitivity of the subject.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> so-called
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "dirty bomb" - a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive
>>>>>>>>> material
>>>>>>>>> - it could stir widespread panic if incorporated into a blast.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yellowcake
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> nuclear
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> weapons using sophisticated equipment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Iraqi government sold the yellowcake to a Canadian uranium
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> producer,
>>>>>>>>> Cameco Corp., in a transaction the official described as worth
>>>>>>>>>
>>> "tens
>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> millions of dollars." A Cameco spokesman, Lyle Krahn, declined to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> discuss
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the price, but said the yellowcake would be processed at
>>>>>>>>>
>>> facilities
>>>
>>>>> in
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ontario for use in energy-producing reactors.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "We are pleased . . . that we have taken [the yellowcake] from a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> volatile
>>>>>>>>> region into a stable area to produce clean electricity," he said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The deal culminated more than a year of intense diplomatic and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> military
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> initiatives - kept hushed in fear of ambushes or attacks once the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> convoys
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> were under way: first carrying 3,500 barrels by road to Baghdad,
>>>>>>>>>
>>> then
>>>
>>>>> on
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 37
>>>>>>>>> military flights to the Indian Ocean atoll of Diego Garcia, and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> finally
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> aboard a U.S.-flagged ship for an 8,500-mile trip to Montreal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And, in a symbolic way, the mission linked the current attempts
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>>>>>> stabilize Iraq with some of the high-profile claims about
>>>>>>>>>
>>> Hussein's
>>>
>>>>>>>>> weapons
>>>>>>>>> capabilities in the buildup to the 2003 invasion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Accusations that Hussein had tried to purchase more yellowcake
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> from
>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> African nation of Niger - and an article by a former U.S.
>>>>>>>>>
>>> ambassador
>>>
>>>>>>>>> refuting the claims - led to a wide-ranging probe into Washington
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> leaks
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> reached high into the Bush administration.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tuwaitha and an adjacent research facility were well-known for
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> decades
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> the centerpiece of Hussein's nuclear efforts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Later,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which
>>>>>>>>>
>>> had
>>>
>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf
>>>>>>>>>
>>> War.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>>>> was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> official
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Find this article at:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20080706_Iraq_s_nuclear__yellowcake__moved_to_Canada.html?adString=inq.news/world_us;!category=world_us;&randomOrd=101508072055
>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wally,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I could not find a reference for the yellow cake that came thru
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Charleston,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> SC. It was a discreet comment on local South Carolina radio.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However, that ship apparently was not all. See:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=50430
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just maybe the MSM (Main Stream Media) does not tell all?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Especially
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> which it does not want.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And just maybe the current political news is just as biased?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>>>>>> attachment:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p19994370/statement.gifstatement.gif
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tootle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wally said, "I have seen many on this list proven wrong about
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> WMD".
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> While many argue that many things were included in Weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Mass
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Destruction, some want the term limited to whether Iraq had a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> nuclear
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> program. So limit the term to Iraq's nuclear programs under
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Saddam.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Discreetly, over 200 metric tons of yellow cake were removed
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> from
>>>
>>>>>>> Iraq
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> brought to US thru port of Charleston and shipped to unstated
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> American
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> plant for processing. And was that same stuff that Clark said
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> that
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Iraq
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> was not interested in? How did Iraq acquire 200 metric tons of
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> semi
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> processed Uranium ore? Which asks the question what was it
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> going
>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> used for?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>>>>>>> Attachment:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p19994121/Attention.jpgAttention.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p19994370/statement.gifstatement.gif
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