[Rhodes22-list] Wally said, "... [Political][More Political stuff]

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Mon Oct 20 15:27:09 EDT 2008 

Herb - No.  It would make him a racist & a sexist. - Paul

> I'm curious about something....
>
> If a white man who claims to have legitimate issues with Obama, is in
> reality a racist,
>
> Does that mean a black man who claims to have legitimate issues with
> Palin is in reality a sexist?
>
> I mean, we should be fair in our stupid asinine assumptions and
> prejudices, shouldn't we?
>
>
> Brad Haslett wrote:
>> Wally,
>>
>> I'm pretty pissed about the last 8 years as well.  W said all the
>> right things to woo the conservatives in the Republican party and once
>> again we were duped.  The man spent money like a drunken sailor.
>> Someone please explain to me how we're going to correct that by
>> spending more money we don't have faster?  When Jeffords (SP?) left
>> the Republican party and tipped the Senate to the Dems I was happy
>> because it knocked McCain off as Chairman of the Aviation
>> subcommittee.  I've disliked  McCain for years. I still dislike him.
>> He's not a conservative, never has been.
>>
>> But on the other hand, we the have mystery man, someone with no
>> significant legislative accomplishments to his name. He openly lies
>> about the only executive experience he has because he doesn't want the
>> public to know how he spent the millions or who he spent it with.  He
>> gets a pass for hanging with a radical, openly racist church, because
>> he's black?  I don't think his or anyone else's religion matters.  It
>> doesn't matter to me if you're Muslim, Buddhist, or Hindu, but if they
>> routinely say at your mosque or temple, "God Damn America",  "white
>> man's greed starves a world in need", "the US government invented
>> AIDS", "United States of KKK", I'm not voting for you.  Just sitting
>> through 20 years of that crap is enough, but then to say with a
>> straight face, "I never heard those things"?  Are people really that
>> gullible or does that not matter?
>>
>> What strange times we're living in!
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:46 AM, TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly who is this man that tingles so many legs?
>>>
>>> Brad, You know some people are pretty pissed about the last 8 years.
>>> They
>>> recognize who had control for 6 of those years. They see that McCain
>>> has
>>> been part of the problem for over 20 years. They see the deck was
>>> stacked
>>> for right success and they delivered failure. I think it is that
>>> simple. I
>>> am not saying this is right, wrong or indifferent,,,,, it is just the
>>> way it
>>> is. W
>>>
>>> I will (most likely) vote for Barr out of disgust knowing my vote
>>> doesn't
>>> matter. McCain doesn't need my vote in TN and it will not help Obama
>>> win. If
>>> your state isn't close the Electoral system can make one feel somewhat
>>> disenfranchised. I was leaning towards mcCain but I must admit his
>>> choice of
>>> Palin bothered me. Yeah I know folks are crazy abour her. I wonder what
>>> they
>>> would think if she was ugly?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wally,
>>>>
>>>> I'm not suggesting it isn't a significant endorsement, it is, but it
>>>> was not unexpected.  Powell has always been a moderate if not a
>>>> liberal (he holds his political cards pretty close to his chest,
>>>> always a good move for a General). He's been saying for months how
>>>> much he admires Obama and how exciting it will be to have the first
>>>> black President.  When JC Watts says he has mixed emotions you know
>>>> race is a huge emotional factor.  Oh, but I forget, we're in the
>>>> post-racial era.
>>>>
>>>> Getting back to the basics that should disturb everyone, we have
>>>> massive voter fraud taking place nationwide by Acorn, an organization
>>>> that Obama has very close ties to.  We have massive amounts of money
>>>> being raised that conveniently are below the $200 threshold for
>>>> reporting and yet we already know that much of these funds are from
>>>> foreign sources.  We have a candidate with known ties to Marxists and
>>>> unrepentant terrorists (the evidence is overwhelming) and few are
>>>> curious. We have a candidate with gaping holes in his resume that no
>>>> one seems interested in exploring.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly who is this man that tingles so many legs?
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 7:49 AM, TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Brad,  I disagree. This is not your average meaningless "Joe
>>>>> Hollywood"
>>>>> endorsement. I admire Powell and respect his opinion and judgement. I
>>>>>
>>>> think
>>>>
>>>>> many others do as well. Unlike a Ted Kennedy endorsement (or Clinton)
>>>>>
>>>> this
>>>>
>>>>> speaks to those outside the left base. I am not saying I am voting
>>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>> Obama
>>>>
>>>>> but I recognize the significance of this endorsement.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fair Winds,
>>>>>
>>>>> Wally
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wally,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Powell endorsing Obama is a "dog bites man" story.  He's been
>>>>>> hinting
>>>>>> for months that this was coming, and surprise, surprise, Obama has
>>>>>> said Powell will have a position in an Obama administration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I did find interesting was Powell's pooh-poohing the Bill
>>>>>> Ayer's
>>>>>> connection.  He obviously gets his news from the MSM as well,
>>>>>> although
>>>>>> late in the game, even the MSM is having second thoughts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's some more news that's being ignored.  Obama and Ayers had
>>>>>> offices in the same building at 115 South Sangamon St. in Chicago.
>>>>>> "Just a guy in my neighborhood"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And now for a short film clip (10 min)-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH7kT4xwddg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 7:12 AM, TN Rhodey <tnrhodey at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pete,  Neither party speaks to me so I tend to doubt everything
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>
>>>> both
>>>>
>>>>>>> sides.  That includes posts from list members. Brad and Ed made a
>>>>>>>
>>>> claim
>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the media buried the story...I took the time to check and could
>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> to support their viewpoint. Just because your read something in
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> "in-box' doesn't make it true! It is amazing how many folks believe
>>>>>>> something off a blog/news without taking the time to check facts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Both sides claim media bias and they are right. The truth is out
>>>>>>> there.....you just need to look.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey how about C. Powell endorsing Obama! I didn't know he was a
>>>>>>> Marxist/socialist freedom hater!! ::-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fair winds,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:55 AM, petelargo <
>>>>>>>
>>>> petelauritzen at earthlink.net
>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Wally, forget stuff like Factcheck. Brad has secret sources.
>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> knows
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> someone who knows someone who is a second cousin of Ed's who knows
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> that has tons of irrefutable evidence so incendiary that even
>>>>>>>> newsmax
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> foxnews won't touch it . That's how he knew Biden would be
>>>>>>>> replaced
>>>>>>>>
>>>> by
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hillary in one of his most recent 'I know best' political
>>>>>>>>
>>>> revelations.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> TN Rhodey-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tootle/Brad,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There may be a reason this story was "buried".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/was_it_recently_revealed_that_the_us.html
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know you guys like to send each other hundreds of emails
>>>>>>>>> knocking
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> other side but you really need to check your facts. Brad must be
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> relying
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> the same source that told him the economy was strong!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You guys are too funny.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wally
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Brad Haslett
>>>>>>>>> <flybrad at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The MSM buried the story.  Attached is one archive. Most
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> newspapers
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> posted it deep in their papers and hardly any broadcast news
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> outlets
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> touched the story. The US Armed Forces kept it quiet because it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> stayed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> under heavy guard for years and they didn't want to draw
>>>>>>>>>> attention
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it until it was safely in Canada for processing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Posted on Sun, Jul. 6, 2008
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Iraq's nuclear 'yellowcake' moved to Canada
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> By Brian Murphy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Associated Press
>>>>>>>>>> The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program - a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> huge
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> stockpile of concentrated natural uranium - reached a Canadian
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> port
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> yesterday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> two-week
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The removal of 550 metric tons of "yellowcake" - the seed
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> material
>>>>
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> higher-grade nuclear enrichment - was a significant step toward
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> closing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> books on Hussein's nuclear legacy. It also brought relief to
>>>>>>>>>> U.S.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Iraqi
>>>>>>>>>> authorities who had worried that the cache would reach
>>>>>>>>>> insurgents
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> smugglers crossing to Iran to aid its nuclear ambitions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What's now left is the final and complicated push to clean up
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> remaining radioactive debris at the former Tuwaitha nuclear
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> complex
>>>>
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 12
>>>>>>>>>> miles south of Baghdad - using teams that include Iraqi experts
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> recently
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> trained in the Chernobyl fallout zone in Ukraine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Everyone is very happy to have this safely out of Iraq," said
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> senior
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> U.S. official who outlined the nearly three-month operation to
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Associated Press. The official spoke on condition of anonymity
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> because
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the sensitivity of the subject.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> so-called
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "dirty bomb" - a conventional explosive that disperses
>>>>>>>>>> radioactive
>>>>>>>>>> material
>>>>>>>>>> - it could stir widespread panic if incorporated into a blast.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yellowcake
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> nuclear
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> weapons using sophisticated equipment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Iraqi government sold the yellowcake to a Canadian uranium
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> producer,
>>>>>>>>>> Cameco Corp., in a transaction the official described as worth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> "tens
>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> millions of dollars." A Cameco spokesman, Lyle Krahn, declined
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> discuss
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the price, but said the yellowcake would be processed at
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> facilities
>>>>
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ontario for use in energy-producing reactors.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "We are pleased . . . that we have taken [the yellowcake] from
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> volatile
>>>>>>>>>> region into a stable area to produce clean electricity," he
>>>>>>>>>> said.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The deal culminated more than a year of intense diplomatic and
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> military
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> initiatives - kept hushed in fear of ambushes or attacks once
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> convoys
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> were under way: first carrying 3,500 barrels by road to Baghdad,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> then
>>>>
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 37
>>>>>>>>>> military flights to the Indian Ocean atoll of Diego Garcia, and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> finally
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> aboard a U.S.-flagged ship for an 8,500-mile trip to Montreal.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And, in a symbolic way, the mission linked the current attempts
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> stabilize Iraq with some of the high-profile claims about
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Hussein's
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> weapons
>>>>>>>>>> capabilities in the buildup to the 2003 invasion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Accusations that Hussein had tried to purchase more yellowcake
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> from
>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> African nation of Niger - and an article by a former U.S.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> ambassador
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> refuting the claims - led to a wide-ranging probe into
>>>>>>>>>> Washington
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> leaks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> reached high into the Bush administration.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tuwaitha and an adjacent research facility were well-known for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> decades
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> the centerpiece of Hussein's nuclear efforts.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Later,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> had
>>>>
>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> War.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There
>>>>>>>>>> was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> official
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> said.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Find this article at:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20080706_Iraq_s_nuclear__yellowcake__moved_to_Canada.html?adString=inq.news/world_us;!category=world_us;&randomOrd=101508072055
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wally,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I could not find a reference for the yellow cake that came thru
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Charleston,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> SC.  It was a discreet comment on local South Carolina radio.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However, that ship apparently was not all.  See:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=50430
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just maybe the MSM (Main Stream Media) does not tell all?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Especially
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> which it does not want.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And just maybe the current political news is just as biased?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>>>>>>> attachment:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p19994370/statement.gifstatement.gif
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tootle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wally said, "I have seen many on this list proven wrong about
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> WMD".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> While many argue that many things were included in Weapons of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Mass
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Destruction, some want the term limited to whether Iraq had a
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> nuclear
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> program.  So limit the term to Iraq's nuclear programs under
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Saddam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Discreetly, over 200 metric tons of yellow cake were removed
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> from
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Iraq
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> brought to US thru port of Charleston and shipped to unstated
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> American
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> plant for processing.  And was that same stuff that Clark said
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Iraq
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> was not interested in?  How did Iraq acquire 200 metric tons
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> semi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> processed Uranium ore?  Which asks the question what was it
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> going
>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> used for?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>>>>>>>> Attachment:
>>>>>>>>>>>>  http://www.nabble.com/file/p19994121/Attention.jpgAttention.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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