[Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...

Tue Oct 21 17:16:11 EDT 2008

Do you mean, was Ed threatening to charge me as a co-conspirator?  It sure
sounded like that to me. Or did you mean was Ed threatening to label me as a
marxist? Sure sounded that way to me. Was I threatening to sue Ed? No, but I
was gently suggesting that if I did not have such a wonderfully developed
sense of humor a person in my position (libeled by him) might have such
options and he ought not call people defamatory names.

Ben C.

Just bent wrote:
> 
> I got a question or you....was that a threat?
> Jb
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
> 
> 
>>
>> Ed;
>>
>> Will you answer some questions for me? What is a marxist as you see it?
> What
>> makes me a marxist in your view?  Does the 1st Amendment to our
> Constitution
>> immunize folks who libel other folks? Does calling someone a marxist who
> is
>> not in fact a marxist constitute defamation of character? Do you have any
>> life savings?  Inquiring minds want to know?
>>
>> Have a nice day.
>>
>>
>> Ben C.
>>
>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>> >
>> > Ed,
>> >
>> > Obama intentionally and cynically has misled the public about his
>> > relationship with Ayers.  This issue isn't going away and it shouldn't
>> > go away.  Speculation is strong and the evidence is growing that the
>> > Obama and Ayers relationship goes all the way back to Obama's days in
>> > NYC at Columbia (Ayers was there at the same time and they were both
>> > friends of Dr. Saed) and that Ayers actually ghost authored Obama's
>> > first book (the word count and sentence structure mirrors Ayer's
>> > writing and was written at a 12th grade level, Obama's second book was
>> > written at a 9th grade level).  But let's forget speculation for a
>> > moment and stick with what is known.  I'm posting a link instead of
>> > the article so you can see the photo.
>> >
>> >
> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-praised-searing-timely-book-ayers/
>> >
>> > We know from tax returns from the Annenberg Challenge that Obama,
>> > Ayers, and Klonsky all had offices on the same floor of the same
>> > building. Michelle and Ayers' wife both worked at the same law firm.
>> > Obama and Ayers appeared at joint speaking engagements (which by the
>> > way, Illinois ethics law prohibits receiving fees for speaking but
>> > Obama's tax returns show "speaker fees" during the period he was in
>> > the Illinois Senate, another MSM oversight).
>> >
>> > "Just a guy in my neighborhood with a degree in English"
>> >
>> > That was willful intent to decieve and the MSM has for the most part
>> > let him get away with it.
>> >
>> > The man is a liar, if he were on trial he would certainly be guilty of
>> > perjury - and he may well be, soon.
>> >
>> > Brad
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ben said, "... Since I socialize mostly with folks in my own
>> >> socioeconomic
>> >> class, while most support Obama, ..."  The term leadership comprises
> many
>> >> atributes.  And part of what are call traditional values is simple
>> >> honesty.
>> >> Sometimes honesty requires analysis of what is going on and saying
>> hey,
> "
>> >> America, we have a problem..."
>> >>
>> >> Ben discounted the Bill Ayers thing.  Even if he is a Marxist as is
> Bill
>> >> Ayers, he as an American has an obligation to speak the truth.  In
>> >> America a
>> >> Marxist is obligated to tell the truth and not lie about it.  So it
> goes
>> >> with his candidate Obama.
>> >>
>> >> So what are the elements of Conspiracy?  If you know or should have
>> >> reasonable known something?  Are you obligated to say something?  If
> you
>> >> do
>> >> not say anything are you a coconspirator?
>> >>
>> >> In Ben's case I have to ask, if a fraud is being commited is he
> obligated
>> >> to
>> >> speak out?
>> >>
>> >> The above is why I routinely for years have quoted:
>> >> In Germany they first came for the Communists
>> >>    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
>> >>  Then they came for the Jews,
>> >>    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
>> >> Then they came for the trade unionists
>> >>     and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
>> >> Then they came for the Catholics
>> >>     and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
>> >>  Then they came for me
>> >>    and by that time no one was left to speak up.
>> >>
>> >>  --The Reverend Martin Niemöller, a pastor in the German Confessing
>> >> Church
>> >> who spent seven years in a concentration camp.
>> >>
>> >> Ben said, "... I, on the other hand, wish there were no connection at
> all
>> >> because then we could argue about policy instead of who knew who,
>> where
>> >> and
>> >> when, and what possible difference it makes."
>> >>
>> >> Is this an admission of an issue?  Saying that because most others
>> deny
>> >> the
>> >> connection is using Richard Nixon's arguement that everybody else in
>> >> politics did it, therefore it was o.k.  Saying his friends deny the
> issue
>> >> does not make it go away.  It is Richard Nixon's arguement all over
>> >> again.
>> >> Wasn't Nixon a lawyer?
>> >>
>> >> Does law school teach ask the hard questions in court, but do not ask
>> >> them
>> >> of yourself?  Are lawyers above the law?  Inquiring minds want to
>> know?
>> >>
>> >> Ed K
>> >> Greenville, SC, USA
>> >> attachment for Andrew:
>> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20084939/Andrew%2527s%2Bversion.jpg
>> >> Andrew%27s+version.jpg
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