[Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...

Tue Oct 21 17:37:20 EDT 2008

Ben C.
I meant were you threatening to sue. That's what it read like to me.
I think name calling is allowed on this list, or at least tolerated but
threats are not.
Jb

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...

>
> Do you mean, was Ed threatening to charge me as a co-conspirator?  It sure
> sounded like that to me. Or did you mean was Ed threatening to label me as
a
> marxist? Sure sounded that way to me. Was I threatening to sue Ed? No, but
I
> was gently suggesting that if I did not have such a wonderfully developed
> sense of humor a person in my position (libeled by him) might have such
> options and he ought not call people defamatory names.
>
> Ben C.
>
> Just bent wrote:
> >
> > I got a question or you....was that a threat?
> > Jb
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Ed;
> >>
> >> Will you answer some questions for me? What is a marxist as you see it?
> > What
> >> makes me a marxist in your view?  Does the 1st Amendment to our
> > Constitution
> >> immunize folks who libel other folks? Does calling someone a marxist
who
> > is
> >> not in fact a marxist constitute defamation of character? Do you have
any
> >> life savings?  Inquiring minds want to know?
> >>
> >> Have a nice day.
> >>
> >>
> >> Ben C.
> >>
> >> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Ed,
> >> >
> >> > Obama intentionally and cynically has misled the public about his
> >> > relationship with Ayers.  This issue isn't going away and it
shouldn't
> >> > go away.  Speculation is strong and the evidence is growing that the
> >> > Obama and Ayers relationship goes all the way back to Obama's days in
> >> > NYC at Columbia (Ayers was there at the same time and they were both
> >> > friends of Dr. Saed) and that Ayers actually ghost authored Obama's
> >> > first book (the word count and sentence structure mirrors Ayer's
> >> > writing and was written at a 12th grade level, Obama's second book
was
> >> > written at a 9th grade level).  But let's forget speculation for a
> >> > moment and stick with what is known.  I'm posting a link instead of
> >> > the article so you can see the photo.
> >> >
> >> >
> >
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-praised-searing-timely-book-ayers/
> >> >
> >> > We know from tax returns from the Annenberg Challenge that Obama,
> >> > Ayers, and Klonsky all had offices on the same floor of the same
> >> > building. Michelle and Ayers' wife both worked at the same law firm.
> >> > Obama and Ayers appeared at joint speaking engagements (which by the
> >> > way, Illinois ethics law prohibits receiving fees for speaking but
> >> > Obama's tax returns show "speaker fees" during the period he was in
> >> > the Illinois Senate, another MSM oversight).
> >> >
> >> > "Just a guy in my neighborhood with a degree in English"
> >> >
> >> > That was willful intent to decieve and the MSM has for the most part
> >> > let him get away with it.
> >> >
> >> > The man is a liar, if he were on trial he would certainly be guilty
of
> >> > perjury - and he may well be, soon.
> >> >
> >> > Brad
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Ben said, "... Since I socialize mostly with folks in my own
> >> >> socioeconomic
> >> >> class, while most support Obama, ..."  The term leadership comprises
> > many
> >> >> atributes.  And part of what are call traditional values is simple
> >> >> honesty.
> >> >> Sometimes honesty requires analysis of what is going on and saying
> >> hey,
> > "
> >> >> America, we have a problem..."
> >> >>
> >> >> Ben discounted the Bill Ayers thing.  Even if he is a Marxist as is
> > Bill
> >> >> Ayers, he as an American has an obligation to speak the truth.  In
> >> >> America a
> >> >> Marxist is obligated to tell the truth and not lie about it.  So it
> > goes
> >> >> with his candidate Obama.
> >> >>
> >> >> So what are the elements of Conspiracy?  If you know or should have
> >> >> reasonable known something?  Are you obligated to say something?  If
> > you
> >> >> do
> >> >> not say anything are you a coconspirator?
> >> >>
> >> >> In Ben's case I have to ask, if a fraud is being commited is he
> > obligated
> >> >> to
> >> >> speak out?
> >> >>
> >> >> The above is why I routinely for years have quoted:
> >> >> In Germany they first came for the Communists
> >> >>    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
> >> >>  Then they came for the Jews,
> >> >>    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
> >> >> Then they came for the trade unionists
> >> >>     and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
> >> >> Then they came for the Catholics
> >> >>     and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
> >> >>  Then they came for me
> >> >>    and by that time no one was left to speak up.
> >> >>
> >> >>  --The Reverend Martin Niemöller, a pastor in the German Confessing
> >> >> Church
> >> >> who spent seven years in a concentration camp.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ben said, "... I, on the other hand, wish there were no connection
at
> > all
> >> >> because then we could argue about policy instead of who knew who,
> >> where
> >> >> and
> >> >> when, and what possible difference it makes."
> >> >>
> >> >> Is this an admission of an issue?  Saying that because most others
> >> deny
> >> >> the
> >> >> connection is using Richard Nixon's arguement that everybody else in
> >> >> politics did it, therefore it was o.k.  Saying his friends deny the
> > issue
> >> >> does not make it go away.  It is Richard Nixon's arguement all over
> >> >> again.
> >> >> Wasn't Nixon a lawyer?
> >> >>
> >> >> Does law school teach ask the hard questions in court, but do not
ask
> >> >> them
> >> >> of yourself?  Are lawyers above the law?  Inquiring minds want to
> >> know?
> >> >>
> >> >> Ed K
> >> >> Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >> attachment for Andrew:
> >> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20084939/Andrew%2527s%2Bversion.jpg
> >> >> Andrew%27s+version.jpg
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