[Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Oct 21 17:51:36 EDT 2008
Ahhh, good to know I'm not the only extremist that saw it that way.
Maybe you should look a little closer at how you worded things Ben....
I'm not the only one ....
JbTek wrote:
> Ben C.
> I meant were you threatening to sue. That's what it read like to me.
> I think name calling is allowed on this list, or at least tolerated but
> threats are not.
> Jb
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
>
>
>
>> Do you mean, was Ed threatening to charge me as a co-conspirator? It sure
>> sounded like that to me. Or did you mean was Ed threatening to label me as
>>
> a
>
>> marxist? Sure sounded that way to me. Was I threatening to sue Ed? No, but
>>
> I
>
>> was gently suggesting that if I did not have such a wonderfully developed
>> sense of humor a person in my position (libeled by him) might have such
>> options and he ought not call people defamatory names.
>>
>> Ben C.
>>
>> Just bent wrote:
>>
>>> I got a question or you....was that a threat?
>>> Jb
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ed;
>>>>
>>>> Will you answer some questions for me? What is a marxist as you see it?
>>>>
>>> What
>>>
>>>> makes me a marxist in your view? Does the 1st Amendment to our
>>>>
>>> Constitution
>>>
>>>> immunize folks who libel other folks? Does calling someone a marxist
>>>>
> who
>
>>> is
>>>
>>>> not in fact a marxist constitute defamation of character? Do you have
>>>>
> any
>
>>>> life savings? Inquiring minds want to know?
>>>>
>>>> Have a nice day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ben C.
>>>>
>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama intentionally and cynically has misled the public about his
>>>>> relationship with Ayers. This issue isn't going away and it
>>>>>
> shouldn't
>
>>>>> go away. Speculation is strong and the evidence is growing that the
>>>>> Obama and Ayers relationship goes all the way back to Obama's days in
>>>>> NYC at Columbia (Ayers was there at the same time and they were both
>>>>> friends of Dr. Saed) and that Ayers actually ghost authored Obama's
>>>>> first book (the word count and sentence structure mirrors Ayer's
>>>>> writing and was written at a 12th grade level, Obama's second book
>>>>>
> was
>
>>>>> written at a 9th grade level). But let's forget speculation for a
>>>>> moment and stick with what is known. I'm posting a link instead of
>>>>> the article so you can see the photo.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-praised-searing-timely-book-ayers/
>
>>>>> We know from tax returns from the Annenberg Challenge that Obama,
>>>>> Ayers, and Klonsky all had offices on the same floor of the same
>>>>> building. Michelle and Ayers' wife both worked at the same law firm.
>>>>> Obama and Ayers appeared at joint speaking engagements (which by the
>>>>> way, Illinois ethics law prohibits receiving fees for speaking but
>>>>> Obama's tax returns show "speaker fees" during the period he was in
>>>>> the Illinois Senate, another MSM oversight).
>>>>>
>>>>> "Just a guy in my neighborhood with a degree in English"
>>>>>
>>>>> That was willful intent to decieve and the MSM has for the most part
>>>>> let him get away with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The man is a liar, if he were on trial he would certainly be guilty
>>>>>
> of
>
>>>>> perjury - and he may well be, soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>
> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Ben said, "... Since I socialize mostly with folks in my own
>>>>>> socioeconomic
>>>>>> class, while most support Obama, ..." The term leadership comprises
>>>>>>
>>> many
>>>
>>>>>> atributes. And part of what are call traditional values is simple
>>>>>> honesty.
>>>>>> Sometimes honesty requires analysis of what is going on and saying
>>>>>>
>>>> hey,
>>>>
>>> "
>>>
>>>>>> America, we have a problem..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben discounted the Bill Ayers thing. Even if he is a Marxist as is
>>>>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>>>> Ayers, he as an American has an obligation to speak the truth. In
>>>>>> America a
>>>>>> Marxist is obligated to tell the truth and not lie about it. So it
>>>>>>
>>> goes
>>>
>>>>>> with his candidate Obama.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what are the elements of Conspiracy? If you know or should have
>>>>>> reasonable known something? Are you obligated to say something? If
>>>>>>
>>> you
>>>
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> not say anything are you a coconspirator?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Ben's case I have to ask, if a fraud is being commited is he
>>>>>>
>>> obligated
>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> speak out?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The above is why I routinely for years have quoted:
>>>>>> In Germany they first came for the Communists
>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
>>>>>> Then they came for the Jews,
>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
>>>>>> Then they came for the trade unionists
>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
>>>>>> Then they came for the Catholics
>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
>>>>>> Then they came for me
>>>>>> and by that time no one was left to speak up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --The Reverend Martin Niemöller, a pastor in the German Confessing
>>>>>> Church
>>>>>> who spent seven years in a concentration camp.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben said, "... I, on the other hand, wish there were no connection
>>>>>>
> at
>
>>> all
>>>
>>>>>> because then we could argue about policy instead of who knew who,
>>>>>>
>>>> where
>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> when, and what possible difference it makes."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this an admission of an issue? Saying that because most others
>>>>>>
>>>> deny
>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> connection is using Richard Nixon's arguement that everybody else in
>>>>>> politics did it, therefore it was o.k. Saying his friends deny the
>>>>>>
>>> issue
>>>
>>>>>> does not make it go away. It is Richard Nixon's arguement all over
>>>>>> again.
>>>>>> Wasn't Nixon a lawyer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does law school teach ask the hard questions in court, but do not
>>>>>>
> ask
>
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> of yourself? Are lawyers above the law? Inquiring minds want to
>>>>>>
>>>> know?
>>>>
>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>> attachment for Andrew:
>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20084939/Andrew%2527s%2Bversion.jpg
>>>>>> Andrew%27s+version.jpg
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