[Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...

Herb Parsons hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Oct 21 17:51:36 EDT 2008


Ahhh, good to know I'm not the only extremist that saw it that way.

Maybe you should look a little closer at how you worded things Ben.... 
I'm not the only one ....

JbTek wrote:
> Ben C.
> I meant were you threatening to sue. That's what it read like to me.
> I think name calling is allowed on this list, or at least tolerated but
> threats are not.
> Jb
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
>
>
>   
>> Do you mean, was Ed threatening to charge me as a co-conspirator?  It sure
>> sounded like that to me. Or did you mean was Ed threatening to label me as
>>     
> a
>   
>> marxist? Sure sounded that way to me. Was I threatening to sue Ed? No, but
>>     
> I
>   
>> was gently suggesting that if I did not have such a wonderfully developed
>> sense of humor a person in my position (libeled by him) might have such
>> options and he ought not call people defamatory names.
>>
>> Ben C.
>>
>> Just bent wrote:
>>     
>>> I got a question or you....was that a threat?
>>> Jb
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:39 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Ed;
>>>>
>>>> Will you answer some questions for me? What is a marxist as you see it?
>>>>         
>>> What
>>>       
>>>> makes me a marxist in your view?  Does the 1st Amendment to our
>>>>         
>>> Constitution
>>>       
>>>> immunize folks who libel other folks? Does calling someone a marxist
>>>>         
> who
>   
>>> is
>>>       
>>>> not in fact a marxist constitute defamation of character? Do you have
>>>>         
> any
>   
>>>> life savings?  Inquiring minds want to know?
>>>>
>>>> Have a nice day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ben C.
>>>>
>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>
>>>>> Obama intentionally and cynically has misled the public about his
>>>>> relationship with Ayers.  This issue isn't going away and it
>>>>>           
> shouldn't
>   
>>>>> go away.  Speculation is strong and the evidence is growing that the
>>>>> Obama and Ayers relationship goes all the way back to Obama's days in
>>>>> NYC at Columbia (Ayers was there at the same time and they were both
>>>>> friends of Dr. Saed) and that Ayers actually ghost authored Obama's
>>>>> first book (the word count and sentence structure mirrors Ayer's
>>>>> writing and was written at a 12th grade level, Obama's second book
>>>>>           
> was
>   
>>>>> written at a 9th grade level).  But let's forget speculation for a
>>>>> moment and stick with what is known.  I'm posting a link instead of
>>>>> the article so you can see the photo.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-praised-searing-timely-book-ayers/
>   
>>>>> We know from tax returns from the Annenberg Challenge that Obama,
>>>>> Ayers, and Klonsky all had offices on the same floor of the same
>>>>> building. Michelle and Ayers' wife both worked at the same law firm.
>>>>> Obama and Ayers appeared at joint speaking engagements (which by the
>>>>> way, Illinois ethics law prohibits receiving fees for speaking but
>>>>> Obama's tax returns show "speaker fees" during the period he was in
>>>>> the Illinois Senate, another MSM oversight).
>>>>>
>>>>> "Just a guy in my neighborhood with a degree in English"
>>>>>
>>>>> That was willful intent to decieve and the MSM has for the most part
>>>>> let him get away with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The man is a liar, if he were on trial he would certainly be guilty
>>>>>           
> of
>   
>>>>> perjury - and he may well be, soon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>           
> wrote:
>   
>>>>>> Ben said, "... Since I socialize mostly with folks in my own
>>>>>> socioeconomic
>>>>>> class, while most support Obama, ..."  The term leadership comprises
>>>>>>             
>>> many
>>>       
>>>>>> atributes.  And part of what are call traditional values is simple
>>>>>> honesty.
>>>>>> Sometimes honesty requires analysis of what is going on and saying
>>>>>>             
>>>> hey,
>>>>         
>>> "
>>>       
>>>>>> America, we have a problem..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben discounted the Bill Ayers thing.  Even if he is a Marxist as is
>>>>>>             
>>> Bill
>>>       
>>>>>> Ayers, he as an American has an obligation to speak the truth.  In
>>>>>> America a
>>>>>> Marxist is obligated to tell the truth and not lie about it.  So it
>>>>>>             
>>> goes
>>>       
>>>>>> with his candidate Obama.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what are the elements of Conspiracy?  If you know or should have
>>>>>> reasonable known something?  Are you obligated to say something?  If
>>>>>>             
>>> you
>>>       
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> not say anything are you a coconspirator?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Ben's case I have to ask, if a fraud is being commited is he
>>>>>>             
>>> obligated
>>>       
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> speak out?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The above is why I routinely for years have quoted:
>>>>>> In Germany they first came for the Communists
>>>>>>    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
>>>>>>  Then they came for the Jews,
>>>>>>    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
>>>>>> Then they came for the trade unionists
>>>>>>     and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
>>>>>> Then they came for the Catholics
>>>>>>     and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
>>>>>>  Then they came for me
>>>>>>    and by that time no one was left to speak up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  --The Reverend Martin Niemöller, a pastor in the German Confessing
>>>>>> Church
>>>>>> who spent seven years in a concentration camp.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben said, "... I, on the other hand, wish there were no connection
>>>>>>             
> at
>   
>>> all
>>>       
>>>>>> because then we could argue about policy instead of who knew who,
>>>>>>             
>>>> where
>>>>         
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> when, and what possible difference it makes."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this an admission of an issue?  Saying that because most others
>>>>>>             
>>>> deny
>>>>         
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> connection is using Richard Nixon's arguement that everybody else in
>>>>>> politics did it, therefore it was o.k.  Saying his friends deny the
>>>>>>             
>>> issue
>>>       
>>>>>> does not make it go away.  It is Richard Nixon's arguement all over
>>>>>> again.
>>>>>> Wasn't Nixon a lawyer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does law school teach ask the hard questions in court, but do not
>>>>>>             
> ask
>   
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> of yourself?  Are lawyers above the law?  Inquiring minds want to
>>>>>>             
>>>> know?
>>>>         
>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>> attachment for Andrew:
>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20084939/Andrew%2527s%2Bversion.jpg
>>>>>> Andrew%27s+version.jpg
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