[Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
Just bent
j.bulfer at jbtek.com
Tue Oct 21 18:19:04 EDT 2008
Herb.
do I look like an extreamist?
Jb
hparsons wrote:
>
> Ahhh, good to know I'm not the only extremist that saw it that way.
>
> Maybe you should look a little closer at how you worded things Ben....
> I'm not the only one ....
>
> JbTek wrote:
>> Ben C.
>> I meant were you threatening to sue. That's what it read like to me.
>> I think name calling is allowed on this list, or at least tolerated but
>> threats are not.
>> Jb
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
>>
>>
>>
>>> Do you mean, was Ed threatening to charge me as a co-conspirator? It
>>> sure
>>> sounded like that to me. Or did you mean was Ed threatening to label me
>>> as
>>>
>> a
>>
>>> marxist? Sure sounded that way to me. Was I threatening to sue Ed? No,
>>> but
>>>
>> I
>>
>>> was gently suggesting that if I did not have such a wonderfully
>>> developed
>>> sense of humor a person in my position (libeled by him) might have such
>>> options and he ought not call people defamatory names.
>>>
>>> Ben C.
>>>
>>> Just bent wrote:
>>>
>>>> I got a question or you....was that a threat?
>>>> Jb
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:39 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ed;
>>>>>
>>>>> Will you answer some questions for me? What is a marxist as you see
>>>>> it?
>>>>>
>>>> What
>>>>
>>>>> makes me a marxist in your view? Does the 1st Amendment to our
>>>>>
>>>> Constitution
>>>>
>>>>> immunize folks who libel other folks? Does calling someone a marxist
>>>>>
>> who
>>
>>>> is
>>>>
>>>>> not in fact a marxist constitute defamation of character? Do you have
>>>>>
>> any
>>
>>>>> life savings? Inquiring minds want to know?
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a nice day.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama intentionally and cynically has misled the public about his
>>>>>> relationship with Ayers. This issue isn't going away and it
>>>>>>
>> shouldn't
>>
>>>>>> go away. Speculation is strong and the evidence is growing that the
>>>>>> Obama and Ayers relationship goes all the way back to Obama's days in
>>>>>> NYC at Columbia (Ayers was there at the same time and they were both
>>>>>> friends of Dr. Saed) and that Ayers actually ghost authored Obama's
>>>>>> first book (the word count and sentence structure mirrors Ayer's
>>>>>> writing and was written at a 12th grade level, Obama's second book
>>>>>>
>> was
>>
>>>>>> written at a 9th grade level). But let's forget speculation for a
>>>>>> moment and stick with what is known. I'm posting a link instead of
>>>>>> the article so you can see the photo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-praised-searing-timely-book-ayers/
>>
>>>>>> We know from tax returns from the Annenberg Challenge that Obama,
>>>>>> Ayers, and Klonsky all had offices on the same floor of the same
>>>>>> building. Michelle and Ayers' wife both worked at the same law firm.
>>>>>> Obama and Ayers appeared at joint speaking engagements (which by the
>>>>>> way, Illinois ethics law prohibits receiving fees for speaking but
>>>>>> Obama's tax returns show "speaker fees" during the period he was in
>>>>>> the Illinois Senate, another MSM oversight).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Just a guy in my neighborhood with a degree in English"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was willful intent to decieve and the MSM has for the most part
>>>>>> let him get away with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The man is a liar, if he were on trial he would certainly be guilty
>>>>>>
>> of
>>
>>>>>> perjury - and he may well be, soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Ben said, "... Since I socialize mostly with folks in my own
>>>>>>> socioeconomic
>>>>>>> class, while most support Obama, ..." The term leadership comprises
>>>>>>>
>>>> many
>>>>
>>>>>>> atributes. And part of what are call traditional values is simple
>>>>>>> honesty.
>>>>>>> Sometimes honesty requires analysis of what is going on and saying
>>>>>>>
>>>>> hey,
>>>>>
>>>> "
>>>>
>>>>>>> America, we have a problem..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ben discounted the Bill Ayers thing. Even if he is a Marxist as is
>>>>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>>>> Ayers, he as an American has an obligation to speak the truth. In
>>>>>>> America a
>>>>>>> Marxist is obligated to tell the truth and not lie about it. So it
>>>>>>>
>>>> goes
>>>>
>>>>>>> with his candidate Obama.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what are the elements of Conspiracy? If you know or should have
>>>>>>> reasonable known something? Are you obligated to say something? If
>>>>>>>
>>>> you
>>>>
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> not say anything are you a coconspirator?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In Ben's case I have to ask, if a fraud is being commited is he
>>>>>>>
>>>> obligated
>>>>
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> speak out?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The above is why I routinely for years have quoted:
>>>>>>> In Germany they first came for the Communists
>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
>>>>>>> Then they came for the Jews,
>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
>>>>>>> Then they came for the trade unionists
>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
>>>>>>> Then they came for the Catholics
>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
>>>>>>> Then they came for me
>>>>>>> and by that time no one was left to speak up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --The Reverend Martin Niemöller, a pastor in the German Confessing
>>>>>>> Church
>>>>>>> who spent seven years in a concentration camp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ben said, "... I, on the other hand, wish there were no connection
>>>>>>>
>> at
>>
>>>> all
>>>>
>>>>>>> because then we could argue about policy instead of who knew who,
>>>>>>>
>>>>> where
>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> when, and what possible difference it makes."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this an admission of an issue? Saying that because most others
>>>>>>>
>>>>> deny
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> connection is using Richard Nixon's arguement that everybody else in
>>>>>>> politics did it, therefore it was o.k. Saying his friends deny the
>>>>>>>
>>>> issue
>>>>
>>>>>>> does not make it go away. It is Richard Nixon's arguement all over
>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>> Wasn't Nixon a lawyer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does law school teach ask the hard questions in court, but do not
>>>>>>>
>> ask
>>
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> of yourself? Are lawyers above the law? Inquiring minds want to
>>>>>>>
>>>>> know?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
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>>>>>>> Andrew%27s+version.jpg
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