[Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
Herb Parsons
hparsons at parsonsys.com
Tue Oct 21 18:30:19 EDT 2008
I'm looking at my screen, but can't say for sure. I see black, and see
white in your post.
Both are extremes.
You realize, it's all tongue in cheek don't you?
We both know the truth. Ben was putting out a stupid threat, and was
probably embarrassed that anyone called him on it.... OK, I'll be
honest, probably embarrassed that anyone besides ME called him on it.
I never liked it when the kids at school pumped out their chests like
they were ready to fight. I always thought the real fun was watching
them back down.
But, I'm an extremist, and probably do look like one.
But then, there are worst things in life.
Just bent wrote:
> Herb.
> do I look like an extreamist?
> Jb
>
>
> hparsons wrote:
>
>> Ahhh, good to know I'm not the only extremist that saw it that way.
>>
>> Maybe you should look a little closer at how you worded things Ben....
>> I'm not the only one ....
>>
>> JbTek wrote:
>>
>>> Ben C.
>>> I meant were you threatening to sue. That's what it read like to me.
>>> I think name calling is allowed on this list, or at least tolerated but
>>> threats are not.
>>> Jb
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Do you mean, was Ed threatening to charge me as a co-conspirator? It
>>>> sure
>>>> sounded like that to me. Or did you mean was Ed threatening to label me
>>>> as
>>>>
>>>>
>>> a
>>>
>>>
>>>> marxist? Sure sounded that way to me. Was I threatening to sue Ed? No,
>>>> but
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>
>>>> was gently suggesting that if I did not have such a wonderfully
>>>> developed
>>>> sense of humor a person in my position (libeled by him) might have such
>>>> options and he ought not call people defamatory names.
>>>>
>>>> Ben C.
>>>>
>>>> Just bent wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I got a question or you....was that a threat?
>>>>> Jb
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>>>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:39 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ... failure of leadership or leading ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will you answer some questions for me? What is a marxist as you see
>>>>>> it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> What
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> makes me a marxist in your view? Does the 1st Amendment to our
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Constitution
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> immunize folks who libel other folks? Does calling someone a marxist
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> who
>>>
>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> not in fact a marxist constitute defamation of character? Do you have
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> any
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> life savings? Inquiring minds want to know?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a nice day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obama intentionally and cynically has misled the public about his
>>>>>>> relationship with Ayers. This issue isn't going away and it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> shouldn't
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> go away. Speculation is strong and the evidence is growing that the
>>>>>>> Obama and Ayers relationship goes all the way back to Obama's days in
>>>>>>> NYC at Columbia (Ayers was there at the same time and they were both
>>>>>>> friends of Dr. Saed) and that Ayers actually ghost authored Obama's
>>>>>>> first book (the word count and sentence structure mirrors Ayer's
>>>>>>> writing and was written at a 12th grade level, Obama's second book
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> was
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> written at a 9th grade level). But let's forget speculation for a
>>>>>>> moment and stick with what is known. I'm posting a link instead of
>>>>>>> the article so you can see the photo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-praised-searing-timely-book-ayers/
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> We know from tax returns from the Annenberg Challenge that Obama,
>>>>>>> Ayers, and Klonsky all had offices on the same floor of the same
>>>>>>> building. Michelle and Ayers' wife both worked at the same law firm.
>>>>>>> Obama and Ayers appeared at joint speaking engagements (which by the
>>>>>>> way, Illinois ethics law prohibits receiving fees for speaking but
>>>>>>> Obama's tax returns show "speaker fees" during the period he was in
>>>>>>> the Illinois Senate, another MSM oversight).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Just a guy in my neighborhood with a degree in English"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That was willful intent to decieve and the MSM has for the most part
>>>>>>> let him get away with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The man is a liar, if he were on trial he would certainly be guilty
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> perjury - and he may well be, soon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Tootle <ekroposki at charter.net>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> Ben said, "... Since I socialize mostly with folks in my own
>>>>>>>> socioeconomic
>>>>>>>> class, while most support Obama, ..." The term leadership comprises
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> many
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> atributes. And part of what are call traditional values is simple
>>>>>>>> honesty.
>>>>>>>> Sometimes honesty requires analysis of what is going on and saying
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> hey,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> "
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> America, we have a problem..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ben discounted the Bill Ayers thing. Even if he is a Marxist as is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ayers, he as an American has an obligation to speak the truth. In
>>>>>>>> America a
>>>>>>>> Marxist is obligated to tell the truth and not lie about it. So it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> goes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> with his candidate Obama.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So what are the elements of Conspiracy? If you know or should have
>>>>>>>> reasonable known something? Are you obligated to say something? If
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> not say anything are you a coconspirator?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In Ben's case I have to ask, if a fraud is being commited is he
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> obligated
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> speak out?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The above is why I routinely for years have quoted:
>>>>>>>> In Germany they first came for the Communists
>>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
>>>>>>>> Then they came for the Jews,
>>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
>>>>>>>> Then they came for the trade unionists
>>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
>>>>>>>> Then they came for the Catholics
>>>>>>>> and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
>>>>>>>> Then they came for me
>>>>>>>> and by that time no one was left to speak up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --The Reverend Martin Niemöller, a pastor in the German Confessing
>>>>>>>> Church
>>>>>>>> who spent seven years in a concentration camp.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ben said, "... I, on the other hand, wish there were no connection
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> at
>>>
>>>
>>>>> all
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> because then we could argue about policy instead of who knew who,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> where
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> when, and what possible difference it makes."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this an admission of an issue? Saying that because most others
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> deny
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> connection is using Richard Nixon's arguement that everybody else in
>>>>>>>> politics did it, therefore it was o.k. Saying his friends deny the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> issue
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> does not make it go away. It is Richard Nixon's arguement all over
>>>>>>>> again.
>>>>>>>> Wasn't Nixon a lawyer?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does law school teach ask the hard questions in court, but do not
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> ask
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> of yourself? Are lawyers above the law? Inquiring minds want to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> know?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed K
>>>>>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>>>>>> attachment for Andrew:
>>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p20084939/Andrew%2527s%2Bversion.jpg
>>>>>>>> Andrew%27s+version.jpg
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