[Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle
Saroj Gilbert
saroj at pathfind.net
Wed Oct 29 12:32:24 EDT 2008
hmmm.. sent to watermusic38 at yahoo.com at 11:20 yesterday.
did you get it yet?
Give me a call when it works out for you to meet for coffee or lunch.
Saroj
757 871-6697
----- Original Message -----
From: "elle" <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle
> Saroj.
>
> 11:50pm...nothing yet.
>
>
> elle
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
>
>
> --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Saroj Gilbert <saroj at pathfind.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Saroj Gilbert <saroj at pathfind.net>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 11:21 PM
>> I sent you an email back channel... let me know if it
>> doesn't get to you.
>>
>> Saroj
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "elle" <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] centerboard repair - cap
>> sealant? reply to
>> Saroj
>>
>>
>> > Saroj,
>> >
>> > We're neighbors, of sorts.....I'm just a bit
>> up the road in the upper
>> > Northern Neck...I go to Newport News every two weeks
>> on marina
>> > business.......and will go thru Hampton in two weeks
>> on my way to the
>> > Outer Banks for a photo workshop.....
>> >
>> > elle
>> >
>> > We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
>> can adjust our sails.
>> >
>> > 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic"
>> (Lady in Red)
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Saroj Gilbert
>> <saroj at pathfind.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Saroj Gilbert <saroj at pathfind.net>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] centerboard repair -
>> cap sealant? reply to
>> >> Saroj
>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 2:27 PM
>> >> Hey, Ed, Ben, Rob, Rik, Rummy, Lou,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks all for the info. Based on what I've
>> read,
>> >> I'm going to replace all
>> >> the screws with bolts.
>> >>
>> >> Lou, are you the one who did the write-up with
>> Roger in
>> >> 2005-2006? When you
>> >> say "torque" are you implying you
>> actually used a
>> >> torque wrench or just as a
>> >> euphemism for "tightened"?
>> >>
>> >> My centerboard lift line has a different
>> configuration from
>> >> that in the
>> >> article I referenced above. It starts from a
>> small U
>> >> bracket fore of the
>> >> foremost block on the cap. Since the blocks on
>> the CB were
>> >> broken I don't
>> >> know how it was threaded below, but it seems to
>> have gone
>> >> from that loop
>> >> thru the highest block on the CB, back up to the
>> the
>> >> foremost block on the
>> >> cap (an inch aft of the loop), back down to the
>> lower block
>> >> on the CB (2-3
>> >> inches below the other one) then up thru the aft
>> block on
>> >> the cap which acts
>> >> as a fair lead, then thru the hole and nipple for
>> the lift
>> >> line. It seems
>> >> that there should be another block lower down on
>> the CB to
>> >> give an extra
>> >> mechanical advantage and more pull on the extreme,
>> but I
>> >> never had any
>> >> trouble raising or lowering the CB before the
>> break.
>> >>
>> >> I'm still wondering what sealant/caulk to use.
>> The guy
>> >> at West Marine
>> >> recommended 3M 4200 but I think it is essentially
>> an
>> >> adhesive like 5200,
>> >> just not as permanent. Lou, what did you use?
>> Seems like
>> >> an underwater
>> >> silicone (like Silicone II) would work well.
>> I've
>> >> never had any trouble
>> >> with leaking, but I might as well do it right
>> while its
>> >> apart. I would
>> >> consider changing the gasket but it appears to be
>> in very
>> >> good condition.
>> >>
>> >> I've been renovating a 1937 house for the past
>> 4 years,
>> >> so Pathfinder has
>> >> been on the hard in my back yard during that time.
>> It
>> >> wasn't worth paying
>> >> the slip fees when I didn't have time to use
>> it.
>> >> We're replacing the mast
>> >> lights... the anchor light lens was cloudy and I
>> lost the
>> >> steaming/deck
>> >> light when a branch fell on it. I'm replacing
>> the
>> >> anchor light with an
>> >> incandescent, but the steaming/deck light with
>> LED. Figure
>> >> that will help
>> >> the battery charging life, and will be installing
>> a solar
>> >> panel for trickle
>> >> charge.
>> >>
>> >> All of the brightwork needs sanding &
>> varnishing and
>> >> have to clean up some
>> >> sap on the deck. Washed all the lines and the
>> sails and
>> >> she is just about
>> >> back to sailing condition. She still looks great
>> even at
>> >> her advanced age
>> >> of 24 years!
>> >>
>> >> I'll continue on with the cosmetic work
>> (screens,
>> >> varnish, polishingetc.)
>> >> over the next year; but we're hoping to get a
>> few sails
>> >> in before winter
>> >> "really" gets here, although the way
>> things are
>> >> going that may be
>> >> optimisitc. Monday afternoon it was delightful
>> sailing
>> >> weather. Today it
>> >> is windy and cold... unseasonably for this region.
>> >>
>> >> Ed, I met a fellow from Richmond a few years ago
>> (Rob, was
>> >> that you?), but I
>> >> haven't run into any Rhodes owners in the
>> Tidewater
>> >> region. I'm living in
>> >> Hampton now.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks all for your well wishes and the great
>> information
>> >> to help us get
>> >> this project completed.
>> >>
>> >> Saroj
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Lou Rosenberg"
>> <lsr3 at nyu.edu>
>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:32 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] centerboard repair -
>> cap
>> >> sealant? reply to
>> >> Saroj
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Rik
>> >>
>> >> I use 10x24 ss bolts on my cap. I prefer to
>> tighten the
>> >> nut under
>> >> the cap using a closed end wrench with
>> >> my electric driver and the correct wide phillips
>> bit in
>> >> place. Do a
>> >> criss cross pattern like lacing up boots
>> >> and torque the nut with a rachet wrench with the
>> phillips
>> >> bit and
>> >> just hold the nut in place with the same closed
>> end wrench
>> >> (7/16")
>> >> took me about 1hr to do 46 bolts.
>> >>
>> >> Ive overhauled my entire centerboard cap, trunk
>> and board
>> >> including
>> >> the mechanical advantage
>> >>
>> >> Lou
>> >> sv Miracles
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:43 AM, R22RumRunner at aol.com
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Rik,
>> >> > It takes really small hands and a second
>> person. I
>> >> recommend using an
>> >> > electric driver or you will be spending the
>> better
>> >> part of a day
>> >> > installing all of
>> >> > them. I have never seen screws used on the
>> trunk cap.
>> >> >
>> >> > Rummy
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > In a message dated 10/28/2008 11:21:39 A.M.
>> Eastern
>> >> Daylight Time,
>> >> > sanderico1 at gmail.com writes:
>> >> >
>> >> > Ed,
>> >> >
>> >> > I have to ask, how would you use through
>> bolts on the
>> >> centerboard
>> >> > cap of
>> >> > an R22?? I can't imagine how you are
>> going to hold
>> >> the nuts to
>> >> > tighten them.
>> >> >
>> >> > Rik
>> >> >
>> >> > Will Rogers often said, "There's
>> nothing
>> >> quite like money in the
>> >> > bank." He
>> >> > went on to say, "I'm not so
>> concerned about
>> >> the return on my money
>> >> > as I am
>> >> > about the return of my money."
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Tootle wrote:
>> >> >> Saroj:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As to sealants, do not use 5200 like
>> some boat
>> >> builders. It is
>> >> >> called
>> >> >> sealant but it is permanent and prevents
>> future
>> >> repair,
>> >> >> painting, etc.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I recommend a sealant that says for under
>> water
>> >> use. 3M 4000 or
>> >> >> 4200 are
>> >> >> numbers I can think of quickly. Go to
>> the 3M
>> >> website and see
>> >> >> which one is
>> >> >> for underwater use. (I know the cap is
>> not
>> >> underwater, except at
>> >> >> times)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Another popular product is Boat Life
>> Sealant, not
>> >> Boat Life Caulk.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As to silicone products, make sure it
>> says for
>> >> underwater use.
>> >> >> Silicone
>> >> > II
>> >> >> is said to be the better formulation of
>> silcone
>> >> sealants.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I would not go to Lowes. Go to any
>> dockside
>> >> marine store or if
>> >> >> you have to
>> >> >> the high dollar 'West Marine'.
>> It would
>> >> be better to pay the few
>> >> >> extra
>> >> >> schekels at West to get a quality
>> product.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> As to screws and bolts, Stan uses a
>> million bolts
>> >> at the shop.
>> >> >> Maybe older
>> >> >> boats had a mix, but I would opt to go to
>> thru
>> >> bolts, all one
>> >> >> million of
>> >> >> them. Also, after you tighten all the
>> first
>> >> time, go around a
>> >> >> second time
>> >> >> and maybe a third. A small 1/4"
>> rachet
>> >> works for this job. If
>> >> >> you do not
>> >> >> have one, head for Sears and get a
>> Craftsman set.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It is good to see your post. Are in in
>> contact
>> >> with any other
>> >> >> 'Tidewater'
>> >> >> Rhodies?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ed K
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Saroj Gilbert wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> any chance I can ask a question
>> about the
>> >> Rhodes22? LOL...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> my centerboard would not raise or
>> lower so
>> >> friend and I took the
>> >> >>> cap
>> >> >>> apart; found that the blocks had
>> broken off
>> >> the CB; scraped,
>> >> >>> sanded, and
>> >> >>> painted the inside of the cap, the
>> well and
>> >> the CB (all
>> >> >>> encrusted with
>> >> >>> barnacles). We have it put back
>> together
>> >> except for the cap
>> >> >>> which has the
>> >> >>> gasket which was already there...
>> appears in
>> >> pretty good shape. We
>> >> >>> modified some blocks which was
>> challenging
>> >> since the attachment
>> >> >>> area is so
>> >> >>> small. Also did some fiberglass
>> repair on
>> >> the CB and the keel.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Two questions:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> - most of the holes had screws but
>> some had
>> >> bolts... I assume
>> >> >>> that an
>> >> >>> earlier owner had stripped out the
>> screw
>> >> holes. Is it likely
>> >> >>> that reusing
>> >> >>> the screws will provide sufficient
>> pressure
>> >> to prevent leaks or
>> >> >>> should we
>> >> >>> go to the trouble of replacing all
>> with
>> >> bolts... I'd prefer not
>> >> >>> because
>> >> >>> there are so many, but I don't
>> want leaks
>> >> obviously.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> - what sealant should we use? I took
>> off the
>> >> old sealant which
>> >> >>> was a blue
>> >> >>> colored rubbery substance that came
>> off pretty
>> >> easily from both
>> >> >>> sides.
>> >> >>> Roger's instructions said to use
>> silicone.
>> >> Is there a
>> >> >>> particular type or
>> >> >>> any old stuff from Lowes? If we use
>> silicon,
>> >> do we need to let
>> >> >>> it cure a
>> >> >>> little before clamping down 100% to
>> give it a
>> >> chance to cure?
>> >> >>> (seems to me
>> >> >>> it requires air to start the curing
>> process).
>> >> Has anyone used
>> >> >>> RTV...
>> >> >>> overkill for this application?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I have searched and searched for the
>> tech
>> >> info material that was
>> >> >>> created
>> >> >>> and organized years ago with no
>> luck. Can
>> >> someone give me a URL
>> >> >>> for it or
>> >> >>> does it no longer exist?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Thanks, Saroj
>> >> >>>
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