[Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle
Ben Cittadino
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Wed Oct 29 12:43:19 EDT 2008
Hey you guys!!!! No flirting on this forum!!! What is this , Match.com?
Ben C.
Saroj Gilbert wrote:
>
> hmmm.. sent to watermusic38 at yahoo.com at 11:20 yesterday.
>
> did you get it yet?
>
> Give me a call when it works out for you to meet for coffee or lunch.
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> Saroj
> 757 871-6697
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "elle" <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle
>
>
>> Saroj.
>>
>> 11:50pm...nothing yet.
>>
>>
>> elle
>>
>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>>
>> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
>>
>>
>> --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Saroj Gilbert <saroj at pathfind.net> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Saroj Gilbert <saroj at pathfind.net>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 11:21 PM
>>> I sent you an email back channel... let me know if it
>>> doesn't get to you.
>>>
>>> Saroj
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "elle" <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] centerboard repair - cap
>>> sealant? reply to
>>> Saroj
>>>
>>>
>>> > Saroj,
>>> >
>>> > We're neighbors, of sorts.....I'm just a bit
>>> up the road in the upper
>>> > Northern Neck...I go to Newport News every two weeks
>>> on marina
>>> > business.......and will go thru Hampton in two weeks
>>> on my way to the
>>> > Outer Banks for a photo workshop.....
>>> >
>>> > elle
>>> >
>>> > We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
>>> can adjust our sails.
>>> >
>>> > 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic"
>>> (Lady in Red)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Saroj Gilbert
>>> <saroj at pathfind.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> From: Saroj Gilbert <saroj at pathfind.net>
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] centerboard repair -
>>> cap sealant? reply to
>>> >> Saroj
>>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 2:27 PM
>>> >> Hey, Ed, Ben, Rob, Rik, Rummy, Lou,
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks all for the info. Based on what I've
>>> read,
>>> >> I'm going to replace all
>>> >> the screws with bolts.
>>> >>
>>> >> Lou, are you the one who did the write-up with
>>> Roger in
>>> >> 2005-2006? When you
>>> >> say "torque" are you implying you
>>> actually used a
>>> >> torque wrench or just as a
>>> >> euphemism for "tightened"?
>>> >>
>>> >> My centerboard lift line has a different
>>> configuration from
>>> >> that in the
>>> >> article I referenced above. It starts from a
>>> small U
>>> >> bracket fore of the
>>> >> foremost block on the cap. Since the blocks on
>>> the CB were
>>> >> broken I don't
>>> >> know how it was threaded below, but it seems to
>>> have gone
>>> >> from that loop
>>> >> thru the highest block on the CB, back up to the
>>> the
>>> >> foremost block on the
>>> >> cap (an inch aft of the loop), back down to the
>>> lower block
>>> >> on the CB (2-3
>>> >> inches below the other one) then up thru the aft
>>> block on
>>> >> the cap which acts
>>> >> as a fair lead, then thru the hole and nipple for
>>> the lift
>>> >> line. It seems
>>> >> that there should be another block lower down on
>>> the CB to
>>> >> give an extra
>>> >> mechanical advantage and more pull on the extreme,
>>> but I
>>> >> never had any
>>> >> trouble raising or lowering the CB before the
>>> break.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm still wondering what sealant/caulk to use.
>>> The guy
>>> >> at West Marine
>>> >> recommended 3M 4200 but I think it is essentially
>>> an
>>> >> adhesive like 5200,
>>> >> just not as permanent. Lou, what did you use?
>>> Seems like
>>> >> an underwater
>>> >> silicone (like Silicone II) would work well.
>>> I've
>>> >> never had any trouble
>>> >> with leaking, but I might as well do it right
>>> while its
>>> >> apart. I would
>>> >> consider changing the gasket but it appears to be
>>> in very
>>> >> good condition.
>>> >>
>>> >> I've been renovating a 1937 house for the past
>>> 4 years,
>>> >> so Pathfinder has
>>> >> been on the hard in my back yard during that time.
>>> It
>>> >> wasn't worth paying
>>> >> the slip fees when I didn't have time to use
>>> it.
>>> >> We're replacing the mast
>>> >> lights... the anchor light lens was cloudy and I
>>> lost the
>>> >> steaming/deck
>>> >> light when a branch fell on it. I'm replacing
>>> the
>>> >> anchor light with an
>>> >> incandescent, but the steaming/deck light with
>>> LED. Figure
>>> >> that will help
>>> >> the battery charging life, and will be installing
>>> a solar
>>> >> panel for trickle
>>> >> charge.
>>> >>
>>> >> All of the brightwork needs sanding &
>>> varnishing and
>>> >> have to clean up some
>>> >> sap on the deck. Washed all the lines and the
>>> sails and
>>> >> she is just about
>>> >> back to sailing condition. She still looks great
>>> even at
>>> >> her advanced age
>>> >> of 24 years!
>>> >>
>>> >> I'll continue on with the cosmetic work
>>> (screens,
>>> >> varnish, polishingetc.)
>>> >> over the next year; but we're hoping to get a
>>> few sails
>>> >> in before winter
>>> >> "really" gets here, although the way
>>> things are
>>> >> going that may be
>>> >> optimisitc. Monday afternoon it was delightful
>>> sailing
>>> >> weather. Today it
>>> >> is windy and cold... unseasonably for this region.
>>> >>
>>> >> Ed, I met a fellow from Richmond a few years ago
>>> (Rob, was
>>> >> that you?), but I
>>> >> haven't run into any Rhodes owners in the
>>> Tidewater
>>> >> region. I'm living in
>>> >> Hampton now.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks all for your well wishes and the great
>>> information
>>> >> to help us get
>>> >> this project completed.
>>> >>
>>> >> Saroj
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Lou Rosenberg"
>>> <lsr3 at nyu.edu>
>>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:32 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] centerboard repair -
>>> cap
>>> >> sealant? reply to
>>> >> Saroj
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Rik
>>> >>
>>> >> I use 10x24 ss bolts on my cap. I prefer to
>>> tighten the
>>> >> nut under
>>> >> the cap using a closed end wrench with
>>> >> my electric driver and the correct wide phillips
>>> bit in
>>> >> place. Do a
>>> >> criss cross pattern like lacing up boots
>>> >> and torque the nut with a rachet wrench with the
>>> phillips
>>> >> bit and
>>> >> just hold the nut in place with the same closed
>>> end wrench
>>> >> (7/16")
>>> >> took me about 1hr to do 46 bolts.
>>> >>
>>> >> Ive overhauled my entire centerboard cap, trunk
>>> and board
>>> >> including
>>> >> the mechanical advantage
>>> >>
>>> >> Lou
>>> >> sv Miracles
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:43 AM, R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Rik,
>>> >> > It takes really small hands and a second
>>> person. I
>>> >> recommend using an
>>> >> > electric driver or you will be spending the
>>> better
>>> >> part of a day
>>> >> > installing all of
>>> >> > them. I have never seen screws used on the
>>> trunk cap.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Rummy
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > In a message dated 10/28/2008 11:21:39 A.M.
>>> Eastern
>>> >> Daylight Time,
>>> >> > sanderico1 at gmail.com writes:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Ed,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I have to ask, how would you use through
>>> bolts on the
>>> >> centerboard
>>> >> > cap of
>>> >> > an R22?? I can't imagine how you are
>>> going to hold
>>> >> the nuts to
>>> >> > tighten them.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Rik
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Will Rogers often said, "There's
>>> nothing
>>> >> quite like money in the
>>> >> > bank." He
>>> >> > went on to say, "I'm not so
>>> concerned about
>>> >> the return on my money
>>> >> > as I am
>>> >> > about the return of my money."
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Tootle wrote:
>>> >> >> Saroj:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> As to sealants, do not use 5200 like
>>> some boat
>>> >> builders. It is
>>> >> >> called
>>> >> >> sealant but it is permanent and prevents
>>> future
>>> >> repair,
>>> >> >> painting, etc.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I recommend a sealant that says for under
>>> water
>>> >> use. 3M 4000 or
>>> >> >> 4200 are
>>> >> >> numbers I can think of quickly. Go to
>>> the 3M
>>> >> website and see
>>> >> >> which one is
>>> >> >> for underwater use. (I know the cap is
>>> not
>>> >> underwater, except at
>>> >> >> times)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Another popular product is Boat Life
>>> Sealant, not
>>> >> Boat Life Caulk.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> As to silicone products, make sure it
>>> says for
>>> >> underwater use.
>>> >> >> Silicone
>>> >> > II
>>> >> >> is said to be the better formulation of
>>> silcone
>>> >> sealants.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I would not go to Lowes. Go to any
>>> dockside
>>> >> marine store or if
>>> >> >> you have to
>>> >> >> the high dollar 'West Marine'.
>>> It would
>>> >> be better to pay the few
>>> >> >> extra
>>> >> >> schekels at West to get a quality
>>> product.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> As to screws and bolts, Stan uses a
>>> million bolts
>>> >> at the shop.
>>> >> >> Maybe older
>>> >> >> boats had a mix, but I would opt to go to
>>> thru
>>> >> bolts, all one
>>> >> >> million of
>>> >> >> them. Also, after you tighten all the
>>> first
>>> >> time, go around a
>>> >> >> second time
>>> >> >> and maybe a third. A small 1/4"
>>> rachet
>>> >> works for this job. If
>>> >> >> you do not
>>> >> >> have one, head for Sears and get a
>>> Craftsman set.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> It is good to see your post. Are in in
>>> contact
>>> >> with any other
>>> >> >> 'Tidewater'
>>> >> >> Rhodies?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Ed K
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Saroj Gilbert wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> any chance I can ask a question
>>> about the
>>> >> Rhodes22? LOL...
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> my centerboard would not raise or
>>> lower so
>>> >> friend and I took the
>>> >> >>> cap
>>> >> >>> apart; found that the blocks had
>>> broken off
>>> >> the CB; scraped,
>>> >> >>> sanded, and
>>> >> >>> painted the inside of the cap, the
>>> well and
>>> >> the CB (all
>>> >> >>> encrusted with
>>> >> >>> barnacles). We have it put back
>>> together
>>> >> except for the cap
>>> >> >>> which has the
>>> >> >>> gasket which was already there...
>>> appears in
>>> >> pretty good shape. We
>>> >> >>> modified some blocks which was
>>> challenging
>>> >> since the attachment
>>> >> >>> area is so
>>> >> >>> small. Also did some fiberglass
>>> repair on
>>> >> the CB and the keel.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Two questions:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> - most of the holes had screws but
>>> some had
>>> >> bolts... I assume
>>> >> >>> that an
>>> >> >>> earlier owner had stripped out the
>>> screw
>>> >> holes. Is it likely
>>> >> >>> that reusing
>>> >> >>> the screws will provide sufficient
>>> pressure
>>> >> to prevent leaks or
>>> >> >>> should we
>>> >> >>> go to the trouble of replacing all
>>> with
>>> >> bolts... I'd prefer not
>>> >> >>> because
>>> >> >>> there are so many, but I don't
>>> want leaks
>>> >> obviously.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> - what sealant should we use? I took
>>> off the
>>> >> old sealant which
>>> >> >>> was a blue
>>> >> >>> colored rubbery substance that came
>>> off pretty
>>> >> easily from both
>>> >> >>> sides.
>>> >> >>> Roger's instructions said to use
>>> silicone.
>>> >> Is there a
>>> >> >>> particular type or
>>> >> >>> any old stuff from Lowes? If we use
>>> silicon,
>>> >> do we need to let
>>> >> >>> it cure a
>>> >> >>> little before clamping down 100% to
>>> give it a
>>> >> chance to cure?
>>> >> >>> (seems to me
>>> >> >>> it requires air to start the curing
>>> process).
>>> >> Has anyone used
>>> >> >>> RTV...
>>> >> >>> overkill for this application?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> I have searched and searched for the
>>> tech
>>> >> info material that was
>>> >> >>> created
>>> >> >>> and organized years ago with no
>>> luck. Can
>>> >> someone give me a URL
>>> >> >>> for it or
>>> >> >>> does it no longer exist?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Thanks, Saroj
>>> >> >>>
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