[Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle

Saroj Gilbert saroj at pathfind.net
Wed Oct 29 19:17:21 EDT 2008 

Very funny, Ben... we're both female and I'm not gay... have a very cute, 
kind and talented bf as a matter of fact... LOL

Saroj

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ben Cittadino" <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle


>
> Hey you guys!!!!  No flirting on this forum!!! What is this , Match.com?
>
> Ben C.
>
> Saroj Gilbert wrote:
>>
>> hmmm.. sent to    watermusic38 at yahoo.com   at 11:20 yesterday.
>>
>> did you get it yet?
>>
>> Give me a call when it works out for you to meet for coffee or lunch.
>>
>> Saroj
>> 757 871-6697
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "elle" <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle
>>
>>
>>> Saroj.
>>>
>>> 11:50pm...nothing yet.
>>>
>>>
>>> elle
>>>
>>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>>>
>>> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Saroj Gilbert <saroj at pathfind.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Saroj Gilbert <saroj at pathfind.net>
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Topic change... to Elle
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 11:21 PM
>>>> I sent you an email back channel... let me know if it
>>>> doesn't get to you.
>>>>
>>>> Saroj
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "elle" <watermusic38 at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] centerboard repair - cap
>>>> sealant? reply to
>>>> Saroj
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Saroj,
>>>> >
>>>> > We're neighbors, of sorts.....I'm just a bit
>>>> up the road in the upper
>>>> > Northern Neck...I go to Newport News every two weeks
>>>> on marina
>>>> > business.......and will go thru Hampton in two weeks
>>>> on my way to the
>>>> > Outer Banks for a photo workshop.....
>>>> >
>>>> > elle
>>>> >
>>>> > We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
>>>> can adjust our sails.
>>>> >
>>>> > 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"
>>>>   (Lady in Red)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Saroj Gilbert
>>>> <saroj at pathfind.net> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> From: Saroj Gilbert <saroj at pathfind.net>
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] centerboard repair -
>>>> cap sealant? reply to
>>>> >> Saroj
>>>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> >> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 2:27 PM
>>>> >> Hey, Ed, Ben, Rob, Rik, Rummy, Lou,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks all for the info.  Based on what I've
>>>> read,
>>>> >> I'm going to replace all
>>>> >> the screws with bolts.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Lou, are you the one who did the write-up with
>>>> Roger in
>>>> >> 2005-2006?  When you
>>>> >> say "torque" are you implying you
>>>> actually used a
>>>> >> torque wrench or just as a
>>>> >> euphemism for "tightened"?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> My centerboard lift line has a different
>>>> configuration from
>>>> >> that in the
>>>> >> article I referenced above.  It starts from a
>>>> small U
>>>> >> bracket fore of the
>>>> >> foremost block on the cap.  Since the blocks on
>>>> the CB were
>>>> >> broken I don't
>>>> >> know how it was threaded below, but it seems to
>>>> have gone
>>>> >> from that loop
>>>> >> thru the highest block on the CB, back up to the
>>>> the
>>>> >> foremost block on the
>>>> >> cap (an inch aft of the loop), back down to the
>>>> lower block
>>>> >> on the CB (2-3
>>>> >> inches below the other one) then up thru the aft
>>>> block on
>>>> >> the cap which acts
>>>> >> as a fair lead, then thru the hole and nipple for
>>>> the lift
>>>> >> line.  It seems
>>>> >> that there should be another block lower down on
>>>> the CB to
>>>> >> give an extra
>>>> >> mechanical advantage and more pull on the extreme,
>>>> but I
>>>> >> never had any
>>>> >> trouble raising or lowering the CB before the
>>>> break.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'm still wondering what sealant/caulk to use.
>>>>  The guy
>>>> >> at West Marine
>>>> >> recommended 3M 4200 but I think it is essentially
>>>> an
>>>> >> adhesive like 5200,
>>>> >> just not as permanent.  Lou, what did you use?
>>>> Seems like
>>>> >> an underwater
>>>> >> silicone (like Silicone II) would work well.
>>>> I've
>>>> >> never had any trouble
>>>> >> with leaking, but I might as well do it right
>>>> while its
>>>> >> apart.  I would
>>>> >> consider changing the gasket but it appears to be
>>>> in very
>>>> >> good condition.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I've been renovating a 1937 house for the past
>>>> 4 years,
>>>> >> so Pathfinder has
>>>> >> been on the hard in my back yard during that time.
>>>>  It
>>>> >> wasn't worth paying
>>>> >> the slip fees when I didn't have time to use
>>>> it.
>>>> >> We're replacing the mast
>>>> >> lights... the anchor light lens was cloudy and I
>>>> lost the
>>>> >> steaming/deck
>>>> >> light when a branch fell on it.  I'm replacing
>>>> the
>>>> >> anchor light with an
>>>> >> incandescent, but the steaming/deck light with
>>>> LED.  Figure
>>>> >> that will help
>>>> >> the battery charging life, and will be installing
>>>> a solar
>>>> >> panel for trickle
>>>> >> charge.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> All of the brightwork needs sanding &
>>>> varnishing and
>>>> >> have to clean up some
>>>> >> sap on the deck.  Washed all the lines and the
>>>> sails and
>>>> >> she is just about
>>>> >> back to sailing condition.  She still looks great
>>>> even at
>>>> >> her advanced age
>>>> >> of 24 years!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'll continue on with the cosmetic work
>>>> (screens,
>>>> >> varnish, polishingetc.)
>>>> >> over the next year; but we're hoping to get a
>>>> few sails
>>>> >> in before winter
>>>> >> "really" gets here, although the way
>>>> things are
>>>> >> going that may be
>>>> >> optimisitc.  Monday afternoon it was delightful
>>>> sailing
>>>> >> weather.  Today it
>>>> >> is windy and cold... unseasonably for this region.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Ed, I met a fellow from Richmond a few years ago
>>>> (Rob, was
>>>> >> that you?), but I
>>>> >> haven't run into any Rhodes owners in the
>>>> Tidewater
>>>> >> region.  I'm living in
>>>> >> Hampton now.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks all for your well wishes and the great
>>>> information
>>>> >> to help us get
>>>> >> this project completed.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Saroj
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> >> From: "Lou Rosenberg"
>>>> <lsr3 at nyu.edu>
>>>> >> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:32 PM
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] centerboard repair -
>>>> cap
>>>> >> sealant? reply to
>>>> >> Saroj
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Rik
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I use 10x24 ss bolts on my cap.  I prefer to
>>>> tighten the
>>>> >> nut under
>>>> >> the cap using a closed end wrench with
>>>> >> my  electric driver and the correct wide phillips
>>>> bit in
>>>> >> place.  Do a
>>>> >> criss cross pattern like lacing up boots
>>>> >> and torque the nut with a rachet wrench with the
>>>> phillips
>>>> >> bit and
>>>> >> just hold the nut in place with the same closed
>>>> end wrench
>>>> >> (7/16")
>>>> >> took me about 1hr to do 46 bolts.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Ive overhauled my entire centerboard cap, trunk
>>>> and board
>>>> >> including
>>>> >> the mechanical advantage
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Lou
>>>> >> sv Miracles
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:43 AM, R22RumRunner at aol.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > Rik,
>>>> >> > It takes really small hands and a second
>>>> person. I
>>>> >> recommend using an
>>>> >> > electric driver or you will be spending the
>>>> better
>>>> >> part of a day
>>>> >> > installing all  of
>>>> >> > them. I have never seen screws used on the
>>>> trunk cap.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Rummy
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > In a message dated 10/28/2008 11:21:39 A.M.
>>>> Eastern
>>>> >> Daylight Time,
>>>> >> > sanderico1 at gmail.com writes:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Ed,
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I have to ask, how would you use through
>>>> bolts on the
>>>> >> centerboard
>>>> >> > cap of
>>>> >> > an R22?? I can't imagine how you are
>>>> going to hold
>>>> >> the  nuts to
>>>> >> > tighten them.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Rik
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Will Rogers often said, "There's
>>>> nothing
>>>> >> quite like money in the
>>>> >> > bank." He
>>>> >> > went on to say, "I'm not so
>>>> concerned about
>>>> >> the return on my money
>>>> >> > as I am
>>>> >> > about the return of my  money."
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Tootle wrote:
>>>> >> >> Saroj:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> As to  sealants, do not use 5200 like
>>>> some boat
>>>> >> builders.  It is
>>>> >> >> called
>>>> >> >>  sealant but it is permanent and prevents
>>>> future
>>>> >> repair,
>>>> >> >> painting,  etc.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> I recommend a sealant that says for under
>>>> water
>>>> >> use.  3M 4000 or
>>>> >> >> 4200 are
>>>> >> >> numbers I can think of quickly.   Go to
>>>> the 3M
>>>> >> website and see
>>>> >> >> which one is
>>>> >> >> for underwater use.  (I  know the cap is
>>>> not
>>>> >> underwater, except at
>>>> >> >> times)
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Another  popular product is Boat Life
>>>> Sealant, not
>>>> >> Boat Life Caulk.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> As  to silicone products, make sure it
>>>> says for
>>>> >> underwater use.
>>>> >> >> Silicone
>>>> >> > II
>>>> >> >> is said to be the better formulation of
>>>> silcone
>>>> >> sealants.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> I would not go to Lowes.  Go to any
>>>> dockside
>>>> >> marine  store or if
>>>> >> >> you have to
>>>> >> >> the high dollar 'West Marine'.
>>>> It would
>>>> >> be better to pay the few
>>>> >> >> extra
>>>> >> >> schekels at West to get a quality
>>>> product.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> As to screws and bolts, Stan uses a
>>>> million bolts
>>>> >> at  the shop.
>>>> >> >> Maybe older
>>>> >> >> boats had a mix, but I would opt to go to
>>>>  thru
>>>> >> bolts, all one
>>>> >> >> million of
>>>> >> >> them.  Also, after you tighten all  the
>>>> first
>>>> >> time, go around a
>>>> >> >> second time
>>>> >> >> and maybe a third.  A  small 1/4"
>>>> rachet
>>>> >> works for this job.  If
>>>> >> >> you do not
>>>> >> >> have one,  head for Sears and get a
>>>> Craftsman set.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> It is good to see your  post.  Are in in
>>>> contact
>>>> >> with any other
>>>> >> >> 'Tidewater'
>>>> >> >>  Rhodies?
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Ed K
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Saroj  Gilbert wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>> any chance I can ask a  question
>>>> about the
>>>> >> Rhodes22? LOL...
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> my centerboard  would not raise or
>>>> lower so
>>>> >> friend and I took the
>>>> >> >>> cap
>>>> >> >>> apart; found  that the blocks had
>>>> broken off
>>>> >> the CB; scraped,
>>>> >> >>> sanded, and
>>>> >> >>>  painted the inside of the cap, the
>>>> well and
>>>> >> the CB (all
>>>> >> >>> encrusted  with
>>>> >> >>> barnacles).  We have it put back
>>>> together
>>>> >> except for the  cap
>>>> >> >>> which has the
>>>> >> >>> gasket which was already there...
>>>> appears in
>>>> >> pretty good shape.  We
>>>> >> >>> modified some blocks which was
>>>> challenging
>>>> >> since the attachment
>>>> >> >>> area is so
>>>> >> >>> small.  Also did  some fiberglass
>>>> repair on
>>>> >> the CB and the keel.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Two  questions:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> - most of the holes had screws but
>>>> some had
>>>> >> bolts... I assume
>>>> >> >>> that an
>>>> >> >>> earlier owner had stripped out the
>>>> screw
>>>> >> holes.  Is it likely
>>>> >> >>> that reusing
>>>> >> >>> the screws will provide  sufficient
>>>> pressure
>>>> >> to prevent leaks or
>>>> >> >>> should we
>>>> >> >>> go to the  trouble of replacing all
>>>> with
>>>> >> bolts... I'd prefer not
>>>> >> >>> because
>>>> >> >>>  there are so many, but I don't
>>>> want leaks
>>>> >> obviously.
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> -  what sealant should we use? I took
>>>> off the
>>>> >> old sealant which
>>>> >> >>> was a  blue
>>>> >> >>> colored rubbery substance that came
>>>> off pretty
>>>> >> easily from  both
>>>> >> >>> sides.
>>>> >> >>> Roger's instructions said to use
>>>> silicone.
>>>> >>  Is  there a
>>>> >> >>> particular type or
>>>> >> >>> any old stuff from Lowes?  If we  use
>>>> silicon,
>>>> >> do we need to let
>>>> >> >>> it cure a
>>>> >> >>> little before clamping  down 100% to
>>>> give it a
>>>> >> chance to cure?
>>>> >> >>> (seems to me
>>>> >> >>> it requires  air to start the curing
>>>> process).
>>>> >>  Has anyone used
>>>> >> >>> RTV...
>>>> >> >>>  overkill for this application?
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> I have searched and  searched for the
>>>> tech
>>>> >> info material that was
>>>> >> >>> created
>>>> >> >>> and organized  years ago with no
>>>> luck.  Can
>>>> >> someone give me a URL
>>>> >> >>> for it or
>>>> >> >>>  does it no longer exist?
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Thanks, Saroj
>>>> >> >>>
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