[Rhodes22-list] Political question about Reply by Chris G
Chris Geankoplis
napoli68 at charter.net
Mon Sep 1 19:10:55 EDT 2008
No more than you belive in selling human beings if there is a profit in it.
So much for typifying someone's position with extreme views. Or did I get it
right for you?
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 3:45 PM
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Political question about Reply by Chris G
>
> Chris said, "Wealth creation is a driving force from your point of view,
it
> trumps all. I disagree."
>
> So you admit that you believe an individual's work product belongs to the
> state?
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
> "Marx's concept of work - In the future communist society everyone will be
a
> worker: 'with labor emancipated every man becomes a working man, and
> productive labor ceases to be class attribute."
>
>
>
> Chris Geankoplis wrote:
> >
> > Ed,
> > No need to lecture. We have a fundalmental difference on a couple
of
> > issues. Wealth creation is a driving force from your point of view, it
> > trumps all. I disagree. Don't assume because someone holds a different
> > view they are ignorant and unread. No one has accused Brad of being
> > ignorant or unread (least wise as I recall). The fundalmental
difference
> > is
> > I shall never convince you of what I consider just and a priority, nor
> > will
> > you convince me, no matter how blustery and agressive your approach is.
> > Is
> > there some movement possible? Yes, but not on the basic principles that
we
> > disagree on.
> >
> > So when are you going sailing?
> > Most respectfully Yours,
> >
> >
> > Chris G
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
> > To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 4:50 AM
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Political Re ply to Captain Ed
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Chris said, "So let’s focus on the actual issues … the growing gap
> >> between
> >> rich and poor." That line is a façade of Marxism. Who are these
alleged
> >> rich? An analysis of the richest 100 people in USA will show that 90
of
> >> them made their money by themselves and did not inherit it. How did
they
> > do
> >> that?
> >>
> >> The answer was that it was initiative and opportunity. Not all with
> >> initiative make it, it takes luck, being in the right place at the
right
> >> time. So, you are jealous that you did not have the initiative and
luck
> > to
> >> start Microsoft?
> >>
> >> Let us take the case of that liberal billionaire from your part of the
> >> country. You know Bill. Started small and had the right concepts and
> >> products just as micro computers became available. He was in right
place
> >> with good idea. Did he inherit the wealth of the company that he led?
> >>
> >> What happened during the inception and growth of Microsoft? He made
lots
> > of
> >> money. But so did several dozen of those who started with him when it
> >> was
> > a
> >> very small operation. And how about all those poor workers who have
been
> >> working for Microsoft for 30 years? Are those the poor you are talking
> >> about? Are they the increasing gap, they sure did not make as much
money
> > as
> >> Bill did. You are right about that.
> >>
> >> Now compare the city of workers who collect the garbage in every city
of
> >> USA. Are they the poor you are taking about? Do they have reasonable
> >> housing? How many have a car? Compare them with Obama’s brother in
> > Nairobi
> >> whose home is a mud hut with thatched roof. Which poor are you
fussing
> >> about? Are you saying that you do not own an island in the south
> >> Pacific?
> >>
> >> You really expect that by giving all sorts of benefits to all that you
> > will
> >> really make the standard of living higher for all? The facts show that
> >> is
> >> not what happens. Have you ever studied any economics and how to
> > distinguish
> >> feudalism, tribal societies, socialism, and capitalism? Which of those
> >> economic systems created the most wealth and raised the overall
standard
> > of
> >> living for the largest number? The truth is that it is not socialism,
> >> progressivism nor communism.
> >>
> >> As a teacher, you have a duty to understand the truth. Ask Brad for
the
> >> titles of a couple of good books that explain what system of economics
> >> America was founded on. Go back and read the Federalist Papers and
some
> >> biographies of those who wrote the U. S. Constitution. Understand and
> >> appreciate what they gave us.
> >>
> >> Without an understanding of what we have and what it accomplished, all
> >> the
> >> calls for change may simply destroy a system that was instrumental in
> > giving
> >> mankind the greatest advancement in standard of living ever. Calling
for
> > a
> >> Marxist system is like putting a knife in the heart of Bill Gates and
> > others
> >> like him.
> >>
> >> Ed K
> >> Greenville, SC, USA
> >> Addendum: "Facts are stubborn things. Facts are used to sort out the
> > truth
> >> from fiction, to rise above bias and prejudice to reach a just
> > result.""Take
> >> inspiration from those people who risked all they had for the nation we
> > are
> >> blessed to call home today." Jeffery O. Bramlett
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Chris,
> >> >
> >> > The economy - suffering from the real estate and mortgage silliness
> >> > but not a recession yet, exports saving the decline in GDP for now.
> >> >
> >> > War - Iraq winding down - the Iraqi's want us out (and we want out).
> >> > NATO petering out in Afghanistan (NATO petering out in Georgia), UN
> >> > non-existent, tough terrain, tough people, nuclear Pakistan. Tough
> >> > situation 7 years later. Radical Muslims still looking for a way to
> >> > kill us. The war goes on.
> >> >
> >> > Taxes - Tax revenue is up because of a cut in the capital gains tax
> >> > and increased investment in the economy.
> >> >
> >> > Between what rich and what poor are we talking about. The World?
The
> >> > poor are gaining - did you watch the Olympics? US economy? We may
be
> >> > the only nation on the planet where the poor owns a color TV,
> >> > air-conditioning, and two cars. And, they are fat.
> >> >
> >> > And how would you like to focus on these issues, especially the
> >> > economic ones? Trot out a few more failed economic theories or
follow
> >> > China's path - ditch the Marxist bullshit and try a little old
> >> > fashioned capitalism?
> >> >
> >> > Brad
> >> >
> >> > On 8/31/08, Chris Geankoplis <napoli68 at charter.net> wrote:
> >> >> Thanks Tootle,
> >> >> We both agree that there are a lot of people who
> > have
> >> >> made mistakes and have gone on to lead better lives, so lets focus
on
> >> >> the
> >> >> actual issues, the economy, the war, taxes, the growing gap between
> > rich
> >> >> and
> >> >> poor. These are where we need to focus.
> >> >>
> >> >> Chris G
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Tootle" <ekroposki at charter.net>
> >> >> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 4:18 PM
> >> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re ply to Captain Chris G.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Chris G said, "Boy I gotta agree, any of those cheating husbands
> >> and
> >> >> > philanderers should be barred from making speeches at the
> > convention.
> >> >> Of
> >> >> > course that would include John McCain after what he did to his
wife
> >> >> and
> >> >> two
> >> >> > kids after he came back. Got a new undamaged model with lots of
> > money,
> >> >> > prenup or not. Does it matter? Careful there are lots of glass
> >> >> houses.
> >> >> > Should we bar those who have killed a person in a car accident
that
> >> >> they
> >> >> > caused? Ok that keeps out Ted Kennedy, but also Laura Bush.
> >> Should
> >> >> we
> >> >> bar
> >> >> > someone who stole drugs (in one case from a non-profit set up to
> > help
> >> >> war
> >> >> > victims), and forged
> >> >> > prescriptions well I guess that would shut up Mrs. McCain and
Rush
> >> >> Limbaugh.
> >> >> > Tootle, help me out, to be fair and balanced I need a drug
thieving
> >> >> democrat
> >> >> > to balance this out. Oh I know Marion Berry should do."
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Responses as follows:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As to John McCain - after how many years in a North Viet Nam
> > prison? -
> >> >> He
> >> >> > had adjustment problems when he came back. How much time did you
> >> >> spend in
> >> >> > the Hanoi Hilton? He later realized he screwed up and admits it.
> > Too
> >> >> late,
> >> >> > but after some time he came around and has since lead a better
> >> life,
> >> >> other
> >> >> > wise he would not be where he is.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As to Ted Kennedy, I have always believed that he was drunk.
> > However,
> >> >> the
> >> >> > lady was in the back seat was in the same state. Alcohol
> > consumption
> >> >> is
> >> >> not
> >> >> > a legal excuse for killing another or is it Ben C?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As to Laura Bush at 17, poor driving skills kill many teenagers.
> >> Is
> >> >> that
> >> >> > not the reason that age group has the highest insurance rates?
Are
> >> >> you
> >> >> > telling us that your judgment and driving skills have not changed
> >> >> since
> >> >> you
> >> >> > were 17?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > As to drug addition and subsequently forging prescriptions, the
> >> >> medication
> >> >> > that Rush became addicted to was a problem that the drug company
> >> did
> >> >> not
> >> >> > correctly monitor and once the problem was known, physicians
failed
> > to
> >> >> > follow up for addition. Initially the drug was proscribed
> > correctly,
> >> >> but
> >> >> > the prescribing doctor did not follow up making sure that no
> > addition
> >> >> > occurred.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Once you are addicted, you the person is no longer in control.
> >> Have
> >> >> you
> >> >> > never dealt with alcoholics? If not, never ever again, give a
> >> >> recovered
> >> >> > alcoholic 100% trust.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There is a big problem in America with prescription drugs. Often
> >> >> doctors
> >> >> > are getting kickbacks from the drug companies and so are more
> > willing
> >> >> to
> >> >> > prescribe feel good drugs when they should not. Yes this is
partly
> >> >> the
> >> >> > patients fault for asking for such drugs, but again, once there
is
> >> >> addition.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The points that you raised are fair to raise and be addressed but
> > they
> >> >> are
> >> >> > distinguishable from a lawyer, who as part of bar qualifying has
> >> >> specific
> >> >> > ethics training from committing perjury. I have said that his
> >> >> philandering
> >> >> > is one thing, but his committing perjury is a whole different
> > matter.
> >> >> And
> >> >> > as Ben C said he was suspended for five years for doing it. The
> >> >> Arkansas
> >> >> > Bar said even a former President needed his ____ slapped for
doing
> > it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So I have partially addressed your comments.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ed K
> >> >> > Greenville, SC, USA
> >> >> > attachment:
> >> >> >
> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p19247108/Chris%2BG%2527s%2BReasoning.jpg
> >> >> > Chris+G%27s+Reasoning.jpg
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