[Rhodes22-list] Rik S., a question of when life begins and Ben C.'s comment thereon

[Rik Sandberg]

Ed,

> Having worked in medical imaging, I can say with certainty that the old time
> line is wrong.  It may be the law, but the law is wrong because we now have
> pictures and other data to say it is wrong.  It is not a religious thing,
> but now a factual thing.  
>   
What an unborn embryo/fetus looks like in a picture has virtually 
nothing to do with this issue. So, your facts are actually, just your 
opinion. It has been known for a long time, long before before pictures 
were possible, that, that clump of cells in a mothers womb was 
eventually going to become a baby.

As I have said previously, I will have to answer to my god when all is 
said and done as will everyone else, whether they know or believe they 
have a god or not. That may be a fact or not, but no one will know that 
absolutely until it's too late for them to return to explain it to the 
rest of us. 'Til then I will continue to try my best to judge not, lest 
I be judged.

Rik

Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault



Tootle wrote:
> RiK,
>
> When Roe v Wade was decided there was not accurate information available to
> answer the question with any certainty.
>
> However, science and medical tools have advanced.  Just look at Ultrasound
> pictures and ecocardiograms available today.  
>
> Today nobody is willing to look at current medical information and say the
> old time frame is not true, not accurate in light of modern information.
>
> I originally thought that your's and Ben's arguement were acceptable.  Ben
> said, "It's a judgment call. It seems reasonable enough to me."
>
> Having worked in medical imaging, I can say with certainty that the old time
> line is wrong.  It may be the law, but the law is wrong because we now have
> pictures and other data to say it is wrong.  It is not a religious thing,
> but now a factual thing.  
>
> Where is Alice on this subject.  Still trying to start her Yamaha?
>
> Your opinion just walks away from killing.  When you are in a nursing home
> and too feeble to stop them, will it be just as acceptable for them to put a
> blanket over your head and do a Dr. Kevorkian?
>
> Anyway, I have had to change my opinion because the facts and scientific
> information are now available.
>
> Ed K
> Greenville, SC, USA
>
>
>
> Brad Haslett-2 wrote:
>   
>> Rik,
>>
>> I'm with you.  I only get to play God a few times a month when I'm
>> giving a checkride and even then there's "higher powers" that will
>> question my decisions.  Here's a couple of neat videos of real people.
>>
>> http://kdka.com/local/Palin.Down.Syndrome.2.809737.html
>>
>> http://www.wpxi.com/video/17384228/index.html
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Rik Sandberg <sanderico1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> Ed,
>>>
>>> Not sure why you'd be asking me this question. I have already stated
>>> that I am not in favor of abortion, but I do mind my own business. Also,
>>> I am surely no expert on either the medical or scientific aspects of
>>> pregnancy/child bearing so this question, as others have said, is
>>> probably above my pay grade.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't like to see people performing the scenario, partial birth
>>> abortion I believe it is called, that Todd was talking about. I'm pretty
>>> sure that a fetus is truly a person by then.
>>>
>>> One thing I do know is, nobody is going to have to answer for my sins
>>> but me. As such, since I am not without sin, I have no business casting
>>> stones.
>>>
>>> Rik
>>>
>>>
>>> Ayn Rand was a prophet - - it isn't my fault
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tootle wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Rik,
>>>>
>>>> Using modern science and modern medical and scientific tools, when
>>>> exactly
>>>> does life begin?  Disregard court opinions, which are just opinions.
>>>>
>>>> Ed K
>>>> Greenville, SC, USA
>>>> addendum, 'Making right choices in gray areas is difficult.  To be aware
>>>> of
>>>> the dilemma is not enough.   There needs to be a moral sensitivity which
>>>> remembers to ask the right questions at the right time.  To know what is
>>>> good is not enough?  There is a difference between waking up and getting
>>>> up.
>>>> There must be specific decision for the right.  To be sensitive and
>>>> aware is
>>>> good.  To make proper decisions is better.'  Paraphrase of Bryan
>>>> Crenshaw
>>>>
>>>>         
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