[Rhodes22-list] Here is Doyle offer on UPS pricing

Mon Mar 2 10:56:19 EST 2009

Hi Caesar,
Our experience with the UPS is that it is somewhat less likely to 
collapse on itself in a fitful breeze or in powerboat chop. It may 
still collapse but it refills itself much more quickly than the genoa 
would do under the same conditions. Not sure about the 2 knots of 
wind but by the time you get to 3 or 4 it will keep you moving even in chop.

Mary Lou
1991 R22  Fretless
Rock Hall, MD

At 09:25 PM 3/1/2009, you wrote:
>Thanks guys,
>
>Last Summer was my first sailing season, having  acquired the boat 
>in early May.  I sail on a lake and to date more often than not i 
>have experienced light winds, winds in which my 175 collapses even 
>when reefed somewhat.  As you may have experienced, it not fun being 
>dead in open water, with no motion and no shelter.  To might 
>delight, my wife insisted that I get bimini.
>
>Next Problem:  I am looking for a way to sail on most points of 
>sail, if not all points of sail in very light air.  I have found 
>that poling out the 175 helps a lot on reach to run legs with light 
>winds.  Without the pole the 175 collapses on itself.
>
>I have heard from this list that UPS allows you to sail on most 
>points of sail in very light air, say from 2-3 mph, and not just on 
>a run.  It will fill out,and not collapse even in a chop, and allow 
>you sail slowly on any point of sail, even when others are dead in the water.
>
>Is there any lake sailor, or sailor in frequent fickle winds, who 
>can help me/us get a fair sense of the performance of the UPS on the 
>various points of sail, and not just on a run in very light air?
>
>Sailing down wind in light air, wing on wing, with the genny poled 
>out is a lot of fun.  Is it Rummy who reminded us that doing the 
>same in a good wind is close to extreme sailing.
>
>The question again is: will a UPS allow a Rhodes 22 sailor to sail 
>on all, or most points of sail in winds from, say 2 mph?  I am 
>looking for a way to beat the "dead in the water blues."
>
>
>
>
>--- On Sun, 3/1/09, Blue Heron <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>From: Blue Heron <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Here is Doyle offer on UPS pricing
>To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 3:42 PM
>
>Caesar,
>
>ROI = Return On Investment.  I haven't found the UPS any better than the
>175
>genny on any tack other than a run.  In fact, the weight of the genny lets
>it keep its shape much better than the UPS when you heel away from an almost
>dead wind.
>
>Albeit, the UPS is effective and fun on a run in light air.  I was once
>first over the finish line by using my UPS.  The people on shore said my
>boat looked like a frigate plowing through the fleet.  Trouble was, it was a
>JAM race and the committee decided against me on a protest, classifying the
>UPS as a spinaker rather than a jib and only one jib allowed anywey.
>
>If you do a lot of downwind sailing in light air, consider getting a UPS.  I
>just haven't encountered those conditions frequent enough since I got mine.
>Plus, I hate being DNQ.
>
>Rick
>
>On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Caesar Paul <caesarpaul01 at yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
> > Rick,
> >
> > Was does ROI mean?
> >
> > Have you been ever out sailing and there was not enough wind to fill out
> > the genny, and being dead in the water, the UPS got you moving again?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Caesar
> >
> > --- On Sun, 3/1/09, Blue Heron <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Blue Heron <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Here is Doyle offer on UPS pricing
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
><rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 11:13 AM
> >
> >  Since the UPS is mounted inside the fore stay, you need to drop it to
> > effectively use the genny.  The exception to effectively using the genny
>is
> > when you wing-on-wing it with the genny.
> >
> > It doesn't make much sense to use the UPS partially furled, so the
>furler
> > is
> > mainly a convenience to deploying and stiking the sail.  I'm averse to
> > going
> > out on the bow deck these days and the furler makes it completely possible
> > to manage the sail fully from within the cabin with the pop top up .  (You
> > wouldn't want to deploy the UPS anyway when conditions are not
>conducive to
> > sailing with the pop top up.)
> >
> > I've found I can pretty much get to wind speed on a run using the UPS
> > wing-on-wing with the genny that is is poled out.  However, I don't
> > think the UPS pulls any better than the 175 genny on a reach in light air.
> >
> > Since I do mainly coastal day sailing, which means my light air sailing
> > is mainly on a reach to sea breezes or coast influenced prevailing winds,
> > there's only a few days each season I get an opportunity to run in
> > light air.  All-in-all, I've found the UPS has the lowest ROI of any
> > thousand bucks I've spent on my boat.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:28 PM, cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > How do most people like to use the ups, always installed with furling
> > > mechanism or manual only when needed?
> > >
> > >
> > > R Orkin wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>http://www.nabble.com/file/p22235080/Doyle%2BSails%2B2009%2BRhodes%2B22%2BUPS%2BOffer%2B%25281%2529.pdf
> > > > Doyle+Sails+2009+Rhodes+22+UPS+Offer+%281%29.pdf
> > > >
> > > > If the PDF file is not readable..
> > > > $644 for the Sail + 30 shipping
> > > > Add a Furling Kit
> > > > RWO Continuous line furler
> > > > with control line loop
> > > > and sheets $225
> > > >  Contact: Paul Beaudin
> > > > Doyle Sailmakers 225 Fordham Street City Island, NY 10464
> > > > 800-237-4453 Email doylesails at verizon.net
> > > >
> > >
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