[Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin

Tue Dec 19 13:13:21 EST 2023

Joe
This is wonderful...the pictures explain it perfectly...thanks
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
cell: 410-499-8922
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 11:34 AM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I went around the forward end of the CB stringer, and went up through the
> floor in the head and cut a hole through the bulkhead from below the galley
> sink.  As I recall, it was not difficult to feed it up through the floor in
> the head.  Here are a few more of photos that may give you a better idea.
> BTW, while everything was opened up, I scraped the bilge and painted with
> Interlux Bilge Cote. Be sure to use their primer first. I did the same in
> the Lazarette. The Rule pump is automatic so doesn't need a float switch. I
> recommend installing an on/off/auto switch, which I mounted on the panel of
> the forward battery compartment. JoeSent via the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an
> AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Reuben Mezrich <
> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> Date: 12/18/23  2:34 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The
> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:
> [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin The boat normally doesn't have a "bow
> down" configuration and once thewater was pumped out it floats pretty
> level.i finally got a digital salinity meter (th#1 house battery was
> damaged andI have no idea what's in the water so i decided not to taste
> it0. In anyevent it is salt water, in fact the salinity is a bit higher
> than that inthe water that the boat is floating in...probably due to some
> evaporationsince it flooded in. Also, no new water came in during the
> torrential rainswe had this weekend.Regarding the bilge pump, did you drill
> holes for the drain hose throughthe stringers in the bilge or
> what?--ReubenReuben Mezrichcell: 410-499-8922Pelican Cove in Sarasota and
> Back Bay, BostonOn Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 1:50 PM <jpd9668 at gmail.com>
> wrote:> Reuben,> The molded portion under the V-berth area encloses the
> flotation foam.> Respite always had a bow down configuration relative to
> the waterline.> Don't know the cause, could have been water there or it was
> its normal> orientation. I don’t know how one could inspect in there. Stan
> or someone> on the list, Roger Pihlaja seems to be a good go to, but so is
> Peter> Nyberg, to ask. BTW, do you have much water in the anchor rode tray
> in the> V-berth?>> Joe>> -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of> Reuben Mezrich> Sent:
> Monday, December 18, 2023 10:19 AM> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Water in the
> Cabin>> Joe> I have a similar set up at the aft portion of the V-Berth
> except the> leaves on my boat are plywood. The holding tank is on the port
> side and the> lithium battery and its charger was placed on the starboard
> side by Charles> Gabriel (I have no idea how he got that 100 lb battery
> into that area).> But forward of that the floor of the V-berth seems to be
> fiberglass molded> into the bow, extending from the bow back to the
> compartment with the> holding and water tanks and then down to the hull of
> the boat. I don't see> a way to actually see the hull at the forward
> portion of the boat or rinse> out the salt water that I'm sure was there.
> (when I first got to the boat> when I was told it was sinking it was indeed
> "bow down" and hanging on its> lines.>> By the way, what I thought was
> Pressboard is actually Cement Board (found> a label on the back of one of
> the panels) and Wikeopedia tells me that is> "Cement board is a backer
> board made from cement slurry and fiberglass mesh> and is supposed to be
> unaffected by water. Charles Daniel suspects it was> put in by a previous
> owner before it was refurbished at General Boats and> left in place by
> Stan..I take that as good news.>> --Reuben> Reuben Mezrich> cell:
> 410-499-8922> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston>>> On Sun, Dec
> 17, 2023 at 4:41 PM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:>> > Reuben,  There
> should be a removable panel in the V berth. It serves> > as the aft portion
> beneath the V cushions. Mine was a sheet of lucite> > acrylic hinged in the
> middle creating two leaves to permit access to> > the fresh water tank and
> the seacock (which could be your culprit if> > you haven't checked it yet)
> for the head on the starboard side forward> > of the head and the black
> water holding tank on the port. There are> > just two screws holding it in
> place if you need to remove it, which> > you shouldn't. Lift one of the
> leaves and look in. Have a good> > flashlight. Any water in the forward
> section should drain aft to the> > CB area. BTW, I didn't mention the Rule
> low profile automatic bilge> > pump that I installed nicely below the
> inspection hatch forward of the> > CB. I ran a hose, 1" I think, over to
> the starboard side. I had to cut> > out thru the floor just in front of the
> galley. I installed a 'T' in> > the sink drain that I connected the bilge
> hose to. I did not install a> > anti siphon loop because I think the open
> sink drain serves the> > purpose. I could be wrong.JoeSent via the Samsung
> Galaxy S23 5G, an> > AT&T 5G smartphone> > -------- Original message
> --------From: Reuben Mezrich <> > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> Date:
> 12/17/23  1:49 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The> > Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:> > [Rhodes22-list] Water in the
> Cabin JoeNo new water entered the cabin> > or lazerette even with the
> considerable rainand wind so I'm convinced> > the water came from
> below...no more water seemsto be accumulating but> > I'll keep watching.How
> do I inspect under the V-Berth?Reuben Mezrichcell:> > 410-499-8922Pelican
> Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, BostonOn Sun, Dec> > 17,> > 2023 at 12:11 PM
> jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:> With all the rain> > your now getting
> or about to get (east coast) water into> the cockpit> > will overwhelm the
> drainage if all drain holes are not>> > cleared/enlarged. Also water will
> overflow into the lazarrette> > underneath> the hatch.  It's probably too
> late now, but I followed a> > suggestion of a> Rhodie on the List and
> installed weatherstripping> > around the lazarette> opening to seal the gap
> between the opening and> > the hatch cover. I used a> soft(not foam) rubber
> stick-on w/s from my> > local hardware store.Also, this> is a good
> opportunity to determine up> > or down. If the cabin doesn't flood> after
> this storm, you'll know> > it's coming from "down"!Joe DempseyTrojan 42>
> MYM/V VoyagerSent via> > the Samsung Galaxy S23 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone>
> -------- Original> > message --------From: Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list
> <>> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 12/17/23  8:45 AM  (GMT-05:00)
> To:> > The> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject:
> Re:>> > [Rhodes22-list] Water in the Cabin I just bailed a ton of rain
> water.>> > Mostly in the laz but some made it into the cabin. Got the boat>
> > covered> just in time for today’s coastal storm.Scott & Rebecca sv> >
> Pantailaimon> > Sent> from my iPhone> On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:54 PM, Chris
> Geankoplis> > Sent> <>> > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:> > Hey
> Reuben,> What Patrick says.>> > Were your batteries OK?  Ponce dry and then
> paper towel> dry the bilge> > then> lay out some TP squares and check every
> hour or so.  I> know> > then> easier> > said> than done as you guys have a
> lot of rain right now. If> your> > said> seat> > drains> get plugged from
> those overhanging trees, it overflows> into> > drains> the> > laz, then>
> into the cabin.> > Chris G.> Xenos> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023> > at> >
> 6:54 PM PBR <> pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:>> >> Rueben,>> In nearly> >
> all of our boats> water in the lazarette can migrate slowly to the>>>
> bilge.> > Unlikely that> that much water came through that path but as I>>>
> > posted a few weeks ago,> check the hoses that funnel water from the> >
> cockpit>> seats through the> lazarette to the stern.  On my 1989 the> >
> flexible hoses>> were> cracked/brittle and just taking all the water> >
> from the seats into the>>> laz.>> Patrick>> >> >> On Thu, Dec 14, 2023> >
> at 3:18 PM Reuben Mezrich <> reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>>> wrote:>> >>>> >
> This morning a friend called> > and> said my boat was sinking...When I got
> to>>> the boat there was> > and> about a> > foot> of water in the cabin (it
> was up to the>>> bottom of the> > foot> cushions)> > and the> boat was
> hanging from its lines (it was a>>> very low> > tide)...I borrowed a> pump
> and got most of the water>>> > out...checked>>> the two through hulls for>
> the head and the one in> > the lazerette and no>> leak>>> seen. inspected
> the> top of the> > centerboard trunk and no evidence of a>>> > leak>>> at
> any of the> visible screws on top (hard to see the two at> > leak>>>
> the>>>> > furthest aft). There> still appears to be a slow leak. There was>
> > also>>> > water>>> in the lazerette> but the lazerette seems to be
> separate from> > water>>> the> > rest of>>> the boat and no> idea how the
> water got there...There> > hasn't been much>> rain>>>> lately..boat was dry
> on Monday, which was> > the last time I checked it...>>>> We're having some
> storms here in> > Sarasota and the TowBoatUS guy says we>>>> really can't
> tow it till> > Tuesday>>> >>> Any thoughts on where else to look> for
> leaks. I> > haven't put any holes in>>> the boat..haven't gone aground>>>>
> Its a> > puzzle>>> >>> -->>> Reuben> > Mezrich>>> cell: 410-499-8922>>>
> Pelican> Cove in Sarasota and Back> > Mezrich>>> Bay,> > Boston>>> >>>> >
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